Most Innovative Coaster
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spicy
Giga Poster
Probably 4D coasters, there is still only two in the world after 6 years and I think that there is still huge potential for this type of coaster waiting to be exploited in the near future.
S&S have proved with Eejanaika and with the improvements to X that this can be a reliable coaster.We just need a big park chain to order another one with different inversions and theme it better than the current 4D's it could make for an awesome ride.
S&S have proved with Eejanaika and with the improvements to X that this can be a reliable coaster.We just need a big park chain to order another one with different inversions and theme it better than the current 4D's it could make for an awesome ride.
Well...
1) Dueling Dragons. Tha fact that they keep in sync is pretty impressive. Too bad the ride appearently sucks.
2) 4-D. And as for themeing, it may not play a big role in the ride experience, but it draws customers.
3) Maverick and similiar. All we like thrown into one layout. Usually, the ride focuses on either groundhugging, inversions, airtime or speed, Maverick gave us it all.
4) Teeny-Weeny. I wonder who sat down and thought: "Hey, let's see how small we can make those things, huh?".
5) Vertigo. Too bad everything but the concept was poo.
1) Dueling Dragons. Tha fact that they keep in sync is pretty impressive. Too bad the ride appearently sucks.
2) 4-D. And as for themeing, it may not play a big role in the ride experience, but it draws customers.
3) Maverick and similiar. All we like thrown into one layout. Usually, the ride focuses on either groundhugging, inversions, airtime or speed, Maverick gave us it all.
4) Teeny-Weeny. I wonder who sat down and thought: "Hey, let's see how small we can make those things, huh?".
5) Vertigo. Too bad everything but the concept was poo.
Loads of coasters are innovative.
Matterhorn - first coaster to use tubular steel rails. Revolutionised how we make coasters and what we can do with them.
First hyper coaster - just the size really
First Giga-Coaster - ditto
First Strata-Coaster - the extreme of height
First Launched coaster - new aspect of coasters, and the advantages that come with it
First 4D coaster - just plain new
First Invert - new idea
First Dive Machine - again, novel idea
There are so many different rides that can be considered innovative. Most, if not all, coasters that are a first are innovative. It takes innovation to come up with the idea, and then to make it a reality.
As for specific rides, well, Duelling Dragons has to one of the top ones. They've been around for ages, yet no-one has copied them.
I don't know, I think it's too hard to say.
Matterhorn - first coaster to use tubular steel rails. Revolutionised how we make coasters and what we can do with them.
First hyper coaster - just the size really
First Giga-Coaster - ditto
First Strata-Coaster - the extreme of height
First Launched coaster - new aspect of coasters, and the advantages that come with it
First 4D coaster - just plain new
First Invert - new idea
First Dive Machine - again, novel idea
There are so many different rides that can be considered innovative. Most, if not all, coasters that are a first are innovative. It takes innovation to come up with the idea, and then to make it a reality.
As for specific rides, well, Duelling Dragons has to one of the top ones. They've been around for ages, yet no-one has copied them.
I don't know, I think it's too hard to say.
There is no top Innovative Coaster.
There are many innovative layouts and concepts, but technology and opinions change, and what may be innovative now is old hat technology five years down the rode.
With that in mind, we must be able to realize what was innovative IN ITS TIME.
For instance, Bat at Kings Island was introduced in 1980 as the first suspended coaster. Though it didn't last long due to maintenance and comfort issues, it was still an innovative step in roller coaster design.
1992 marked the beginning of a B&M era with the first Inverted roller coaster, another innovative step in how roller coaster design is viewed. Beginning with Batman, we soon saw Nemesis, arguably the most innovative roller coaster design today, and Raptor which showed the Invert design could exceed in height and speed.
Intamin rocked the roller coaster industry with the introduction of the accelerator coaster in 2002. Though other forms of launched coaster had been used before, none took off in popularity as the Accelerator, building 13 models in 5 years.
The list continues, and you can see that what may be average now was innovative at its introduction. This includes technologies like the anti-rollback, the Turn Around, upstop wheel, LIM launch, magnetic brakes, and the cable lift.
So how the hell should we know what's the most innovative!? :razz:
There are many innovative layouts and concepts, but technology and opinions change, and what may be innovative now is old hat technology five years down the rode.
With that in mind, we must be able to realize what was innovative IN ITS TIME.
For instance, Bat at Kings Island was introduced in 1980 as the first suspended coaster. Though it didn't last long due to maintenance and comfort issues, it was still an innovative step in roller coaster design.
1992 marked the beginning of a B&M era with the first Inverted roller coaster, another innovative step in how roller coaster design is viewed. Beginning with Batman, we soon saw Nemesis, arguably the most innovative roller coaster design today, and Raptor which showed the Invert design could exceed in height and speed.
Intamin rocked the roller coaster industry with the introduction of the accelerator coaster in 2002. Though other forms of launched coaster had been used before, none took off in popularity as the Accelerator, building 13 models in 5 years.
The list continues, and you can see that what may be average now was innovative at its introduction. This includes technologies like the anti-rollback, the Turn Around, upstop wheel, LIM launch, magnetic brakes, and the cable lift.
So how the hell should we know what's the most innovative!? :razz:
LiveForTheLaunch
CF Legend
Has to be the 4D coasters, because I think that was the most giant leap from conventional coasters that we have ever seen. Sure, there are inverted coasters, and stand up coasters, but they all kinda follow the same pattern and layouts as the regular sit downs, only with different seating. 4D's do the whole different layout and seating, as well as having the seats spin.
So, no question about it for me that the 4D coasters are the most innovative. Certainly not the most successful, but innovative for sure.
So, no question about it for me that the 4D coasters are the most innovative. Certainly not the most successful, but innovative for sure.
Screaming Coasters
Strata Poster
We say all this about 4D's and whatever, but they wouldn't have been around if it wasn't for Arrows suspended and B&M's inverted. To me, those 2 designs are what revolutionised the industry.
LiveForTheLaunch
CF Legend
Everything was innovative at its time though. Even sit downs and inversions were innovative when they came out, but I'm saying, judging by what we had at the time that X came out, it seems as though X was probably the coaster that strayed away from the norm more than anything else did. Inverted coasters were innovative, but their layouts weren't really that different to sit downs or other B&M coasters. The seating was definitely different, but 4D's have both a different layout and different seating.
Screaming Coasters
Strata Poster
But a 4D coaster is only an expansion on a concept already in production. The inverted coaster was an original design which I feel makes it far more innovative.
Basically I see a 4D coaster as a Doom Buggy (Haunted Mansion carriages). It uses the exact same mechanical method to turn the carriages around, but put on a roller coaster. To me, that isn't overly impressive as the technology has been around for 50 years. Ok, it looks cool but it's not much of a hurdle in my eyes.
Basically I see a 4D coaster as a Doom Buggy (Haunted Mansion carriages). It uses the exact same mechanical method to turn the carriages around, but put on a roller coaster. To me, that isn't overly impressive as the technology has been around for 50 years. Ok, it looks cool but it's not much of a hurdle in my eyes.
Screaming Coasters
Strata Poster
Ultimate Coaster said:
It did if you linked it with the last portion of my post.
No, but the technical aspect has been around for 50 year in the Doom Buggies system.
And if you bothered to read my post previous you would have seen that I mentioned Arrows. I said inverted as it was a generalisation of what I had said previously.
Screaming Coasters
Strata Poster
Delete/ One thing, you NEED to go back a read my post previous to the one you are quoting. /Delete
Also, where would the technology come from to hang a coaster coaster? Inverts, (of any sort)
The whole wheel cluster pinning system on an Invert is totally different to a a sit down coaster. That has to be adapted to keep the train stable no matter what rotation.
The basic idea of the 4D mechanism is simply an adaption of the Doom Buggies system.
Everything is old technology, repackaged.
I am far more impressed with the older Arrows/Schwarzkopf suspended coaster AND inverted.
Oh and I can't be bothered to quote a certain section but the seat flipping I never said was adapted from an inverted coaster....
Read the bit about the Doom buggies.
Anyway, I thought this was meant to be about opinion? Not I'm right you're wrong. It's my opinion, leave me to it for goodness sake, Steve.
Also, where would the technology come from to hang a coaster coaster? Inverts, (of any sort)
The whole wheel cluster pinning system on an Invert is totally different to a a sit down coaster. That has to be adapted to keep the train stable no matter what rotation.
The basic idea of the 4D mechanism is simply an adaption of the Doom Buggies system.
Everything is old technology, repackaged.
I am far more impressed with the older Arrows/Schwarzkopf suspended coaster AND inverted.
Oh and I can't be bothered to quote a certain section but the seat flipping I never said was adapted from an inverted coaster....
Read the bit about the Doom buggies.
Anyway, I thought this was meant to be about opinion? Not I'm right you're wrong. It's my opinion, leave me to it for goodness sake, Steve.
Ormerod
Hyper Poster
I think you can base innovation on publicity, how it's changed the theme park industry and helped improve rollercoaster technology and experience.
How people have took on each type of rollercoaster, that's an impact on innovation towards publicity and also the theme parks (probably the manufacturers too).
In that case, how rollercoasters advanced from wood to steel I think that's a massive innovation.
How people have took on each type of rollercoaster, that's an impact on innovation towards publicity and also the theme parks (probably the manufacturers too).
In that case, how rollercoasters advanced from wood to steel I think that's a massive innovation.
Screaming Coasters
Strata Poster
First off, Steve. Please don't insult me.
I merely said I am not impressed by the system and I tried to back up this reason. Both technologies already existed withing Arrows. They invented the Doom Buggy system, they were the among the first to produce a form of inverted coaster. To me, it's just a mashup of the 2 existing technologies. I'LL WRITE THAT IN BOLD FOR YOU.
MASHUP OF 2 EXISTING TECHNOLOGIES... I couldn't care if it wasn't built on a coaster, I just said its the same mechanics.
I really don't give a flying **** about the restraint system, that's irrelevant to my argument. Nor do I give a toss about which company came first. I know all what you are telling me, I'm just shooting back my opinion.
I merely said I am not impressed by the system and I tried to back up this reason. Both technologies already existed withing Arrows. They invented the Doom Buggy system, they were the among the first to produce a form of inverted coaster. To me, it's just a mashup of the 2 existing technologies. I'LL WRITE THAT IN BOLD FOR YOU.
MASHUP OF 2 EXISTING TECHNOLOGIES... I couldn't care if it wasn't built on a coaster, I just said its the same mechanics.
I really don't give a flying **** about the restraint system, that's irrelevant to my argument. Nor do I give a toss about which company came first. I know all what you are telling me, I'm just shooting back my opinion.
Screaming Coasters
Strata Poster
This is going to be fun:
If you wouldn't chop my posts up to make something new then you would have noticed the -
"Well if you insist:"
I am aware of the background, as you say - Arrow manufactured it. It's like me saying John Wardley invented Oblivion... Well yes, he did but B&M manufactured it. It is regarded as an Arrows system but however you want to view it, they lead that market.
But as I said before, I couldn't care where the technology has come from. I said it is an adaptation of an already existing technology.
I haven't got a clue as to what your intention is with that but I know the coaster industry didn't invent them. They were originally midi controlled systems used in the army to fire rockets and launch aircrafts off ships.
errr, what?
No, you gunned my argument. Everything I said was intended to focus on the technologies I am describing. I didn't intend this to be an "I've got a bigger cock than you" type argument as you have made it.
All I can say is 'lol' at you arrogance.
Anyway, before this turns into a flame lets just leave it as -
I am not as impressed with 4D's as I am with the Inverted.
I wish sometimes I don't explain what I mean, it'd save a lot of hassle.
Ultimate Coaster said:
If you wouldn't chop my posts up to make something new then you would have noticed the -
"Well if you insist:"
I am aware of the background, as you say - Arrow manufactured it. It's like me saying John Wardley invented Oblivion... Well yes, he did but B&M manufactured it. It is regarded as an Arrows system but however you want to view it, they lead that market.
But as I said before, I couldn't care where the technology has come from. I said it is an adaptation of an already existing technology.
I haven't got a clue as to what your intention is with that but I know the coaster industry didn't invent them. They were originally midi controlled systems used in the army to fire rockets and launch aircrafts off ships.
errr, what?
No, you gunned my argument. Everything I said was intended to focus on the technologies I am describing. I didn't intend this to be an "I've got a bigger cock than you" type argument as you have made it.
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All I can say is 'lol' at you arrogance.
Anyway, before this turns into a flame lets just leave it as -
I am not as impressed with 4D's as I am with the Inverted.
I wish sometimes I don't explain what I mean, it'd save a lot of hassle.
wash
Mega Poster
Well, it depends of what you consider 'innovative'. 4D coasters were innovative in that they were new and different. However, with only two coasters built, 4Ds haven't had a significant impact on the industry. I'd say the most 'innovative' coasters are those that have ie using steel, inversions, putting the train under the track etc.
(This is a response to the original question, not to UC or Screaming Coasters)
(This is a response to the original question, not to UC or Screaming Coasters)
I'd have to say Expedition Everest is the most innovative that I've seen. To be able to take a normal (well, now that I think about it, far from normal :lol: ) coaster and to turn it into something even MORE spectacular while pulling off the most amazing theming ever seen is innovative in my mind.