UC said:
Look at the track ITSELF. It's bi-rail. THAT's what makes me think it's a ML the MOST.
Other coasters with bi-rail in the layout include Kanonen, Speed, and Pandemonium.
Actually, wait a second...did I miss something here? Where exactly does it say it's bi-rail in the first place...?
I'm looking through the documents and I can't find anything...
A. Come up with better examples. An Intamin and two types we can instantly disregard? Well done.
B. I don't think you've read this topic. There are new plans with drawings that SHOW bi-rail.
Uh, what?
Intamin-style hills?
I take it you're going off of this picture:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3682 ... amege2.jpg
In which case, there's plenty of hills that look like that, and the Intamin hills in the case of the MLs are a bit sharper, and have a smaller apex with a wider entrance and exit:
http://www.rcdb.com/ig3799.htm?picture=16
http://www.rcdb.com/ig3570.htm?picture=18
No. I'm not going off that picture. I'm going off the latest plans. Mainly because I read the topic.
http://www.rcdb.com/ig2389.htm?picture=48
Wait a second - that's not POSSIBLY Vekoma bi-rail track, is it...?
And can you remind me what ride that happens to be on?
How about this?
http://www.rcdb.com/ig2389.htm?picture=44
Or this?
http://www.rcdb.com/ig2389.htm?picture=50
Well, I guess that argument is gone.
No. That's not an argument gone actually. Actually that gives me an idea... IF it was to be a Vekoma, what could we compare it to quite nicely and easily... mmm... the one... Tibidabo just built? If they're all of a sudden using bi-rail, haven't we seen it in the last three years? Wasn't there a big deal made about Everest's track design? Why hasn't it been followed through? If Vekoma had used bi-rail on their latest, similar installment (with a drop, helixes, s-bends, airtime hill, more similar than Everest is...), I'd concur with you. We also don't see it on their newer Mine Trains, interestingly. I'm just not convinced by that that Vekoma are all of a sudden building with bi-rail.
Ahh, but could a world's first not be a train type? Last time I checked, Vekoma have been pushing for these 4-across trains for quite a while...
Or could it not be a theming type? Perhaps they'll use some unique effects? Perhaps the world's first Vekoma switchback with an on-board audio system?
It could be. I'm not giving a definitive answer. There isn't one at the moment. I just frankly think to throw out the argument for a ML (especially before you actually SEE the evidence), is stupid.
I find the whole "Well, it's a world's first, and a Mega-Lite with switchbacks would be a world's first, so let's go with that" to be a very, very, very weak argument.
That's not why I'm going with ML. Track type, layout type, even station length, all point towards ML. The station is a tiny bit smaller than Rita's. Surely an Everest train wouldn't FIT in there?
You know what else would be a world's first? Maybe Gravity Group is going to build a steel coaster! That's certainly a world's first!
Yeah. Well done.
1. Proven to be irrelevent when compared to Everest.
Proven nothing. I put it to you Everest is the exception, not the rule. To play ONE installment against a company that use it on practically ALL their modern, similar coasters... not too bright.
2. A drop into a turn and S-bends? Give me a break. Both check out with Everest, by the way.[/quote
I do wish you'd look at all the topic and evidence before posting. You would save me some time.
Oh, and while we're at the layout, did I also mention that the post-switchback helix also checks out with Everest?
Yeah. Meaning we've seen it. Where's the Worlds First in that?
Hell, let's put Everest aside - did I mention that a drop into a turn and an S-bend check out with almost every manufacturer of somewhat large coasters in existence?
Look at the plans, that's all I can say. Actually look at them. Don't post until you have. And listen to what I'm saying. Yes, all manufactures might build them. It's the style. And THAT's what comes across in the new plans. Everest and Piraten's drops are VERY different. They do the 'same thing', but the style... VERY different. Look at the plans. And you will see which one this holds more similarities with.
I really don't understand how anyone could support a Mega-Lite in a situation like this. It's just utterly stupid, and there's really no solid evidence to support it, except:
Seriously. Look at all the plans.
1. A track type based on assumptions drawn from a basic outline plan - a track type which happens to be shared by at least twenty other coaster types from six manufacturers.
Plans. Look. At. Topic. Read.
2. A layout (specifically, two elements) - a drop into a turn and a pair of S-bends - that have been repeated on countless - literally, countless - other coasters around the world.
See above.
Your argument is just so, so, so very weak.
No. You know makes mine stronger? I've had the decency to read what I should have before getting into a discussion on this. You've seen, what? The one with the pretty pink line? Please. Look at all the proper plans. Then get back to me. You'll find them when you read this topic. Which, btw, maybe you should have done before responding?
