Haven't ridden either, but I'm going cryptic and conclude:
The best coaster ever is not built yet!
And I suppose the same applies for Diving Machines.
Out of the existing, not-best (
) DM's I'll say SheiKra. Just because of the looks and name of it, of course, this is everything I can make an opinion out of. I'll not vote, so just regard this as my personal pre-ride opinion.
The best coaster ever is not built yet!
And I suppose the same applies for Diving Machines.
Out of the existing, not-best (
) DM's I'll say SheiKra. Just because of the looks and name of it, of course, this is everything I can make an opinion out of. I'll not vote, so just regard this as my personal pre-ride opinion.
madhjsp
Giga Poster
UncleArly said:
Oblivion's 65 feet tall, and Griffon and Sheikra stand at 205' and 200' respectively. I think the height you can see is pretty intimidating, both on and off the ride. When you're perched up on top of the drop and the ground is far below you, it's a little freaky.
And that is definitely enhanced by floorlessness. Whoever said anything about loorless not making any difference doesn't know what he's talking about. Not seeing a bar in front of you or having a floor beneath your feet adds a lot to the flying sensation... and it makes the water splash element a lot of fun.
madhjsp said:
Oblivion is 65 feet above ground. There's apparently 115 feet below ground too.
Actually, it's odd, when you watch it, it drops so fast into the hole, then the train takes an age to come back above ground :lol:
For me, Oblivion is a little like Rock'n'Rollercoaster, and Sheikra/Griffon LIM Bowls. Okay, so they're much long LIM bowls, but which is the better experience? I think that to be honest, there's little in it, the extension of Shiekra and Griffon outweigh the benefit Oblivion has in atmosphere.
madhjsp
Giga Poster
furie said:
That's what I meant! Griffon and Sheikra are these huge steel structures... and Oblivion just, isn't. It's impressive to see something big like that.
Also, another reason I thought of why Griffon is the best: It has a few moments of airtime, just right before and after the water splash.
Uncle Arly
Strata Poster
madhjsp said:
Yeah, sorry should have said there was more to it underground, my bad!
Anyway yeah, I see what you mean about them being intimidating, but Oblivion is intimidating beacuse of its surrounding area, Griffon and SheiKra don't look like they have that sort of atmoshpere to them, if you see what I mean.
However, I havn't ever seen them in person, so I could be wrong.
madhjsp said:
Okay, I see what you mean
The thing is, I look at Stealth, and PMBO, and I don't think "wow, that's impressive". I love watching Oblivion drop into the hole though. It's really impressive, because you can get right next to the track, and you just see the coaster vanish in a huge roar. I think it's horses for courses to be honest
madhjsp said:
I love steel coasters when they give you unexpected pops of airtime like that. It's a kind of icing on the cake.
Smithy
Strata Poster
If you put Oblivion at Busch in place of Sheikra or Griffon, this topic would be a foregone conclusion.
However, it's not just the theme of the ride, but the entire area that surrounds it that makes people enjoy it.
The focus of the ride is the drop. From all around the area, you can see Oblivion's drop. Not only that, but you can hear the roar it makes as well. And unlike Sheikra, which you can see exactly what it does, people walk past Oblivion to see a car dropping vertically into a pitch black hole. Couple that with a fitting theme that's pulled off well, and it's reason enough as to why people may prefer it.
However, it's not just the theme of the ride, but the entire area that surrounds it that makes people enjoy it.
The focus of the ride is the drop. From all around the area, you can see Oblivion's drop. Not only that, but you can hear the roar it makes as well. And unlike Sheikra, which you can see exactly what it does, people walk past Oblivion to see a car dropping vertically into a pitch black hole. Couple that with a fitting theme that's pulled off well, and it's reason enough as to why people may prefer it.
Ultimate Coaster said:
This is why I really want to ride the others. I want to know just what a difference it all makes. As I said previously with the R'n'R example, sometimes a different experience can make the same ride very different indeed.
The bit I love about Oblivion is the shock as you hit the tunnel - it's a sensory overload as you go into cold, dark, and get hit with the high G's of the pull out. Would I like more afterwards? Yes I would, but that point hitting the tunnel will always be the highlight of the ride. We've been here before, and sadly it's very subjective, and something you really have to experience.
I guess it's like is TTD the better Rocket out of TTD and Speed Monster. If you love a launch, then TTD will be your bag for the adrenaline pulse. If you like a great layout, then Speed Monster does it for you.
To bring this to a point in deciding which I think would be best, Stealth always has the same kind of rush I get from Oblivion (though the actual ride on Oblivion is much better IMO - it's a very similar short, sharp adrenaline rush). However, I'd rate Speed Monster well above Stealth, as I preferred the layout to the instant thrill.
So I suspect that I too will prefer the bigger, extended models, but that doesn't mean I can't see why people like the short, intense 'hit'
CanobieFan
Strata Poster
For the record both Ka and Speed Monster were ZzZzz to me, although I'd love to have a Kanonen in my backyard.
Ultimate Coaster said:
I do agree with you -really ,I do
As I say though, it's one of those personal preference things. If it's just the drop which does it for people, they'll always go for the best drop and forget the rest of the layout - like people whole love the launch will always go for the biggest and fastest launch. Sadly, it's gonig to be quite some time before I'm in a position to compare CanobieFan said:
I've yet to really rate a Rocket coaster, but Kanonen was very low down in my list :lol:
CanobieFan
Strata Poster
I don't mean its amazing or anything, I just think for the size it is, its a really good ride. Its got 2 inversions, a few turns, a tophat, and a good launch. All within the same size really of a Galaxi or Wildcat coaster.furie said:
And well... I rode Kanonen 10.5 times, Speed Monster once
(And I've been on Baco (6), Ka (7),TTD (2) ,Rita (5) , and Storm Runner (5) too. Oh, and I forgot Stealth (20).)edit - lol, I forgot Stealth.
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Anonymous
Guest
oblivion? never been on it but it looks immense. I will go on it though!!
theRock-steel
Mega Poster
Griffon is a little better than SheiKra. It has got the second Immelmann and the little hill near the end to give just a little air-time. There are two more seats so that means you have two more chances to be "flying" with no track beneath you !
xsupaxmanx
Roller Poster
Just got back from BGE and Griffon was INCREDIBLE!
10ryansmith
Roller Poster
SheiKra because it is the on;y ne that I have been one, but I could be going on Griffion in the near future.
wolverinechris
Mega Poster
This has been done before, and UC and I got into a rather good argue about it. Rather than bore and clog the topic with all of that I'll just say if you're really interested you should go check out that topic too.
I think our conclusion was that UC doesn't appreciate tunnels as much as path interaction.
I think our conclusion was that UC doesn't appreciate tunnels as much as path interaction.
bob_3_
Giga Poster
Griffon is missing something!!! which is vital on a dive machine imo... A DROP INTO A MOIST HOLE! Oblivions drop is set up perfectly, the ride enters blackness at such a high speed when your standing next to it. Even after being on it hundreds of times i can't stand next to it without gulping. Its just the fact that the train flies down you hear the screaming and B&M roar and a CLANK as it hits the hole. Then suddenly its quiet with the echoing screams. Add the guy telling you you're going to die constantly in the queue, with a perfect view of the drop all the way round. It just WORKS as a theme.
Yes i think SheiKra would provide a better ride layout-wise, but its more... fun. I dont think the atmosphere would top Oblivions, esspecially after Merlin's attempts of souping it up with new sound effects.
Yes i think SheiKra would provide a better ride layout-wise, but its more... fun. I dont think the atmosphere would top Oblivions, esspecially after Merlin's attempts of souping it up with new sound effects.