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Good tasteAgreed! :emoji_yum:
Good tasteAgreed! :emoji_yum:
This dovetails with Cedar Point equally not being targeted for Winterfest - downside of being located in a town of 24,000 without a major nearby university means staffing becomes very tight when the academic year is in full swing. You'd be appalled to see the comparison of staff to guests for regular summer operation vs. fall - Cedar Point is scraping the bottom for any staff they can have to run the park (hence Kings Island staff getting shipped up to CP).Also, I really wish that during Halloweekends at Cedar Point that you could check out of Hotel Breakers on a Monday. I like to go on Sunday's during the fall since it's generally pretty empty (never have waited for that 30 minutes for a coaster, and that's usually MF or Maverick) and I would love to stay at Breakers but I have to stay off site since they won't accept bookings with a Monday check out. That could be a revenue booster as well since I'm sure I'm not the only one.
This is interesting indeed. If I were to try to write it out in more direct speak, I'd say it was something like: "We have enough thrill rides at the moment, and will only introduce new ones when it is time to retire old ones". After all, no park can grow infinitely, and when they've hit a size they're comfortable with, they can just choose to invest at replacement rate. Say, four big thrill coasters, three kiddie/family coasters, and two "stepping stones". Want a new one of anything, just tear out the oldest or least popular equivalent. Maybe have some plans for actual expansion in your back pocket in case the market situation changes, but otherwise maintain status quo for as long as possible.The slide on Long-Term Strategy Fundamentals was interesting... in particular this statement " Existing inventory of thrill rides allows for spacing out larger investments over a longer period of time"
I think you're probably on to something there.This is interesting indeed. If I were to try to write it out in more direct speak, I'd say it was something like: "We have enough thrill rides at the moment, and will only introduce new ones when it is time to retire old ones". After all, no park can grow infinitely, and when they've hit a size they're comfortable with, they can just choose to invest at replacement rate. Say, four big thrill coasters, three kiddie/family coasters, and two "stepping stones". Want a new one of anything, just tear out the oldest or least popular equivalent. Maybe have some plans for actual expansion in your back pocket in case the market situation changes, but otherwise maintain status quo for as long as possible.
Very interesting take on that statement. I guess I'm just being greedy when I want to see CP continue to add new coasters while maintaining all the other ones. I know it's not feasible in the long term but I can dream.This is interesting indeed. If I were to try to write it out in more direct speak, I'd say it was something like: "We have enough thrill rides at the moment, and will only introduce new ones when it is time to retire old ones". After all, no park can grow infinitely, and when they've hit a size they're comfortable with, they can just choose to invest at replacement rate. Say, four big thrill coasters, three kiddie/family coasters, and two "stepping stones". Want a new one of anything, just tear out the oldest or least popular equivalent. Maybe have some plans for actual expansion in your back pocket in case the market situation changes, but otherwise maintain status quo for as long as possible.
Sidenote: this very strategy is probably why Parques Reunidos only buys well-developed and established parks. When you've got no ambitions of growth, you can just invest to sustain the current situation. Kind of like loading up an old RCT save where somebody else beat the scenario goals, so you can just sit there watching it make money.
Cedar Point is very impressive, indeed, and it will remain an interesting park to follow even if they have no ambitions to grow further. If we assume a life span of 30 years or so for a coaster, and they have 17 of them, they will need to replace one every two years to sustain their size. Even though half of them are family-scale rides, a new coaster every other year should be enough to pique the interest of most coaster fans. And since each big thrill coaster is so expensive, they need to be replaced at a very regular rate too, because the park probably can't afford to clump those huge expensive coaster purchases together. Large, complicated projects should at least come with some predictability.I think you're probably on to something there.
Specifically looking at the bit in bold - I also like how Cedar Point is more like: Say,fourseven big thrill coasters,threefive kiddie/family coasters, andtwofive "stepping stones"*. The numbers they have to work with are just incredible.
*Based on my classification system.
One other interesting thing about that presentation was the breakdown slide of the size of each park and how much room each had for development. Some parks have a ton of space to work with so it'll be interesting to see if some others see expansion.
This dovetails with Cedar Point equally not being targeted for Winterfest - downside of being located in a town of 24,000 without a major nearby university means staffing becomes very tight when the academic year is in full swing. You'd be appalled to see the comparison of staff to guests for regular summer operation vs. fall - Cedar Point is scraping the bottom for any staff they can have to run the park (hence Kings Island staff getting shipped up to CP).
I was definitely interested in the notion of additional seasonal events at parks - while also thinking how this could be a boost to the likes of Dorney, WoF, or Valleyfair.
That's a good point on infrastructure, I was only thinking of it from a staffing perspective. Will be interested if it's discussed this weekend.This may be true regarding Winterfest, but the main driver is the park's infrastructure based on what we were told at last year's Winter Chill Out. Plumbing is only about six inches underground and is aerated after the park closes for the winter. Every bathroom, food stall, and restaurant is winterized to prevent pipes from freezing. Cedar Point wants Winterfest and has investigated the feasibility and it doesn't look promising. At this point, Winterfest at Cedar Point would involve very little food and drink and porta-potties for restrooms. Granted...Winter Chill Out 2019 is in three days so we may learn something new on Saturday afternoon.
GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANTSome additional good shots of the new Corkscrew train paint job:
The Sandusky Register also has a good photo tour from today's Winter Chillout event: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/story/201902230006
A lot of highlight focus on the new BackBeatBBQ restaurant going in on the old Witch's Wheel site. I'll save that rant for another day, and Cedar Fair apparent proclamation for bringing barbecue to the masses.
MAGA.GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT
MAGA.
Super stoked about the loose article pockets, especially as it provides an about-face for Cedar Fair's draconian locker policy. Probably a one-off all things considered, but glad Cedar Point is acknowledging the need for cell phone storage. Also means @Error doesn't need to worry about feeling guilty for trying to sneak his phone aboard.
Steel Vengeance: Reversed
Basically back two or three cars facing backwards, do it the Merlin way.