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Re: Dollywood 2012

That sounds a little bit too good to be true! An almost 70 meters tall ride, which is comparable to the taller B&M megas.. Plus the idea of a 55 meter tall loop, I don't think it's going to happen. But IF it does, it'll be the most awesome coaster built in a long time!! :--D
 
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If it is gonna cliff dive, i can see the track hugging the cliff side on the way down, kinda like how a vulture or otger bird of prey would to gain extra speed or something.

Damnit! Something ELSE im gonna miss after i move :'( I am so hoping this is as epic as its sounding. This could very well be the single most epic B&M coaster to be built. Plus, if they only do custom ride designs for their Wing Rider, then they wont really be able to clone :D

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Intricks said:
If it is gonna cliff dive, i can see the track hugging the cliff side on the way down, kinda like how a vulture or other bird of prey would to gain extra speed or something.
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Or an eagle :p If my eagle theory is right, I expect everybody to hang a photo of me on the back of their toilet door.

But yes, if the speculation is correct, then it will certainly take the shine off of Thorpe's LC12, but only within the enthusiast community. Not only will Dollywood have a bigger one, it'll also look better.

Also, time to move this to ride construction.
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Hence why I said other bird of prey ;) I like the eagle theory, but the name just doesnt sound right. Id go something like Thunderbird or Quetzocoatl :p

Edit: Flight of the Falcon :3

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Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Hey guys! Louis here from CoasterFusion!

I think people are mis-understanding what was said in our thread on our site. The coaster is not going to have a normal lift hill like say Nitro from Six Flags Great Adventure. It is going to hug the cliff on the way up much like Boulder Dash at Lake Compounce. Once it reaches the top it will crest and then dive down through the terrain of the mountain.

It is unclear at what point the train will find itself in the 180 foot loop. However, if the guy at Slidewinder is correct it should be at the bottom of the mountain near the train tracks. This loop will be seen from the parking lot.

I am actually editing the thread to make sure anyone & everyone will understand what we mean...
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Awww :( But the idea of it turning out of the station and diving down the side of the cliff would be awesome and scare the **** out of everyone for fear of their feet being ripped off in the most painful manner ever. Followed by the loop and then going throigh the terrain til you hit a lift hill that would hug a steep hillside followed by rest of the ride ala Boulder Dash.

Regardless, its a wingrider (hopefully) so that will still be hella closer to me than italy or UK.

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Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

I won't believe the stats until announced, but if true, who's up for a trip to Dollywood?
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Go figure on these stats, as I was JUST THERE last year.
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Guess who's going back to Dollywood next year? Regardless of whether the stats are true or not, the entire project sound very impressive and worth a trip.
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Very nice! Guess I will have to make an effort to get back there soon.
 
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I... can't see a 180ft loop happening... That's an immediate red flag for me. Especially off a 220ft lift. On a hill. With the extra drag of these trains.

I call bull on that one.
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Maybe they heard wrong or something. I could see the loop if it were to dive off the cliff, but now when its at the bottom of a hill that is going to be like boulder dash's, i cant really see the loop anymore either. Unless they have some kind of launching mechanism to help pick up speed right before the loop (or during possibly).

Guess we get to wait and see. Im surprised though that Dollywood hadnt commented on this. Maybe they will once they see what has been posted and do a possible confirm or bust the loop height and whatnots.

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Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

The Dominator at Kings Dominion has a 148' drop and a 135' loop, so I don't see why a coaster couldn't do a 180' loop dropping from 220'. Sounds very doable to me.
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

First, Dominator doesn't have the drag of seats sitting off the track, giving extra drag in the wind. Second, have you seen how slow and sluggish Raptor looks going through its course?

I did a straight drop in no limits and got about 80 miles per hour. That would go through a 180ft loop no problem, even with the extra drag slowing it down. Now, when you take that straight drop, and turn it into a series of hills with a final drop at about 130 ft, it hits a max speed of 75. It goes through the loop, but at close to 10 miles per hour at the crest of the loop. That 10mph most likely the variable that will make the loop be 150 or 160, tops. Can't forget adding in turns and the length of said drops and hills to add in more drag. As I had stated above, it would most likely need a form of launch to clear the loop (which B&M could do) if it were to stay at the stated 180mph. Unless its lift hill is basically launching us, I don't see the 180 ft loop happening.
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

How wide would the loop have to be with these trains as well? These are not small trains by a long shot so it would be giant. What wouldn't surprise me though is if the loop is actually a dive loop, coming from the top of one of the hills, and dropping to the bottom, making it stand 180 feet, yet it won't feel that tall from entering from what I predict will be a high point. Or the loop may be similar to LC12's first inversion of the roll half loop. A full loop seems highly implausible just based on train width.

The more I think about it, the more I think Ian is right and we are going to see an eagle themed ride. Especially if the loop is more like the LC12 element and features a drop down the hill, it can be like you are "hunting for pray" and are on the attack. This could easily be the B:TR or Silver Bullet of wing walkers depending on the layout. Dollywood is throwing some serious money out so I think its safe to assume they are going big.
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

well i dont know, but i think a massive loop like that is possible. Obviously with the seats it wont be a normal loop, but some massive 150+ loop type inversion would be really awesome.
i think that slogan "the sky is not the limit", is bascially them saying theyre gonna do something really tall, massive and something theyve never done before. Im expecting a pretty crazy B&M loop or something yay! i love B&M
i reckon they'll go for the worlds largest inversion. hmm that sounds really appealing on a B&M wing-rider too.

i dont understand the bashing of some B&M's here. Raptor runs perfectly intense and fast, i loved it. With a 220 foot drop, i would expect a wing-rider to go through a good solid 160 foot high loop. maybe 180 is pushing it a bit but i still reckon we will see something massive!
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

^The issue with the loop is the width it would need to be. We've never seen a loop on the Dive Machines (and this is just a guess) and I suspect that's partly because the entrance and exit would have to be so far apart it would make the loop a very odd shape and possibly make the forces on the wide trains quite complex. I'd be surprised if we see a vertical loop on the Wing Riders to be honest, but I'd love to be proven wrong. :p
 
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Intricks said:
Unless they have some kind of launching mechanism to help pick up speed right before the loop (or during possibly).
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I absolutely 100% guarantee that this won't be built. :wink:
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Are you sure that he didn't really mean that they would do a 180 ft diveloop much like the first inversion on LC12...
I mean, it could be a possibility...
 
Re: "Unknown" - B&M Wingrider (possible) for Dollywood 2012

Possibly, but as I stated above, the train goes through too slowly as a floorless in No Limits (about 10mph). Since I really dont know how much drag those trains trully give, I went with a simple 10mph variant (could be higher, could be lower). It could make it at 150-160 easily, 180 is too high for the Wingrider train to go through without worry of a rollback happening. Give it a tire boost right before to get it up ro 80-85mph and the ride will be fine then.

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