Gröna Lund | Monster | B&M Invert | 2021
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CrashCoaster
CF Legend
No, every B&M coaster ever made has been manufactured at Clermont Steel Fabricators in Ohio. It is their only track manufacturing facility.
Antinos
Slut for Spinners
The vests are still spring loaded so they will retract as the ride's forces push you into your seat, but with the locking mechanisms removed they will return to a more comfortable position once the loads decrease. The main complaint with the locking mechanisms is that they'd retract in every valley and constrict your chest more and more throughout the ride.
Hutch
Strata Poster
Valravn doesn't. And from what I've done, neither do Banshee, Thunderbird, or Gatekeeper.
Banshee is the worst B&M invert though, though that comes down the rattle and lack of snap/whip in the inversions. However, I am beginning to wonder if the rattle is due to the heavier trains. All the other inverts, which as you know have the standard trains, hold up pretty well. It might also just be down to Kings Island's job on maintaining Banshee, but it's still in much worse shape than Diamondback, which has been around for an extra 5 years.
roomraider
Best Topic Starter
Actually this isn't entirely true. I believe the early European B&Ms (and possibly early Asian rides like Diavlo) were made at G-Tec in Switzerland before they later on switched to using Clermont for all their rides.
MouseAT
Hyper Poster
The difference being that B&M elements aren't designed to have negative G forces. They're designed to be around 0g, i.e. the elements are designed to be forceless. The excitement when a ride passes through these elements therefore stems from how the human body reacts to the absence of normal gravitational forces. If you've got some room to move, the sensation is interesting/exciting. If you're stapled into your seat so that you don't move at all as you crest a hill or dip down towards a lower part of the ride, it's virtually unnoticeable. It's why Valkyria is my least favourite dive machine, despite it having the best post-drop layout of any dive machine I've ridden. It's not a problem unique to the vests either; I have similar issues with the clamshells on the B&M hypers. If I've got space to move a bit, they're amazing. If I get stapled, the hills may as well not be there for all the effect they'll have.
Once you ramp up to actual negative Gs, you are correct - there are actual forces present and acting on the body, and you can feel them regardless. I don't need space to enjoy airtime from an Intamin or Mack Mega, for example.
On an invert or wing coaster? Vests aren't such a big deal as the focus isn't on airtime, as long as they don't try to design in hills that exist for the purposes of delivering airtime.
I don’t mind vests, but gripe that they were solving a problem that never really existed - apparent rider comfort. The B&M OTSR is one of the best restraints in the business.
I would hope Grona goes with OTSR; it wouldn’t spoil the entire ride if not, but would also understand concern around train width (vest restraints are pretty thicc) given the tight turns and support design they’re pulling off.
I would hope Grona goes with OTSR; it wouldn’t spoil the entire ride if not, but would also understand concern around train width (vest restraints are pretty thicc) given the tight turns and support design they’re pulling off.
Peet
Giga Poster
C'mon folks that is literally 2 whole pages going on about B&M vest restraints when we have a whole topic for them here:
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I love that Grona Lund are squeezing this coaster in, the layout looks a bit weak IMO but hopefully the interactions and near misses will make it good.
What's your thought about B&M vest restraint ?
I hope nobody created this thread before otherwise feel free to lock it down
I love that Grona Lund are squeezing this coaster in, the layout looks a bit weak IMO but hopefully the interactions and near misses will make it good.
Thinking a bit more on that - is this the shortest B&M to date? Blue Harvest is currently clocked at 2,296 ft. on RCDB, shorter than Nemesis Inferno (2,460 ft.), Batman the Ride (2,693 ft.), and Black Mamba (2,519 ft.). Am I missing any other?
JoshC.
Strata Poster
Presumably you mean B&M inverts? Because obviously many of the Dive Machines are shorter
But if the B&M inverts, yeah this will be the shortest (if you exclude the family ones).
Hah yup. Indeed the layout is pretty hangtime-heavy, will be interested to see how the actual transitions play out.
Howie
Donkey in a hat
At 2,260ft, Flight Deck is 36ft shorter, making it their shortest invert.
Flight Deck - California's Great America (Santa Clara, California, United States)
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There's an even shorter floorless model at 1,850ft:
Dæmonen - Tivoli Gardens (Copenhagen, Hovedstaden, Denmark)
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And, of course, the shortest B&M of all is dear old Blivvy, clocking in at a measly 1,222ft:
Oblivion - Alton Towers (Alton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom)
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Kw6sTheater
Hyper Poster
I was about to mention Daemonen as soon as I saw @Hyde's question! You beat me to it... ?
bob_3_
Giga Poster
C'mon folks that is literally 2 whole pages going on about B&M vest restraints when we have a whole topic for them here:
What's your thought about B&M vest restraint ?
I hope nobody created this thread before otherwise feel free to lock it down
I love that Grona Lund are squeezing this coaster in, the layout looks a bit weak IMO but hopefully the interactions and near misses will make it good.
Yeah I'm super excited about this, but not really about the layout, I think it's fine. But the idea of GronaLunds charm mixed with a brand new B&M is such a lovely sounding combination. I also love how they seem so determined to get a B&M in there, we've had concepts of this happening way before they even announced this... in 2017! Imagine being this team involved, you must have alot of love for this project to see it through. I also love the idea of a triple A coaster sitting in the center of a city (although makes me a little jelous). Seeing an Intamin tophat from so many places in Helsinki just filled me with joy. The idea of visiting Stockholm again and seeing a B&M in the middle, urgh it's the stuff of dreams!
VonRolland
Giga Poster
Wasn't Fenix made elsewhere as the CEO's husband has a steelworks?