Intamin T-Bar VS. Intamin OTSR

[Martyn]

Where you want airtime, you want the OTSR.

And you can tell me what I want can you? Funny that, because I thought I made my own mind up about these things.

 

[Comet]

I'm sorry UC, but I have to disagree.
There is absolutely no way in the world I would want OTSR to be put on S:RoS.

I'm really sorry to say too, I don't understand how you put your hands up and they don't touch. On a straightaway they may not touch, but once you invert or turn, your arms will definitely touch unless you try to make them not. I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ either, but I don't get how you don't touch the OTSR.

 

[WuTang2k2]

I'm sorry UC, but I have to disagree.
There is absolutely no way in the world I would want OTSR to be put on S:RoS.

I'm really sorry to say too, I don't understand how you put your hands up and they don't touch. On a straightaway they may not touch, but once you invert or turn, your arms will definitely touch unless you try to make them not. I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ either, but I don't get how you don't touch the OTSR.

OTSR's would make S:RoS SFNE a fantastic coaster. It would easily surpass anything in the world in terms of airtime, you'd be out of your seat by inches on every hill.

And it's too bad you don't see how I can put my arms and not touch, because it's true. I'M sorry you feel you can disprove this FACT by telling me how you don't think it happens, but, alright I suppose. I can't prove that to you until I get a video of me riding it, I guess.

All in your opinion though, mind.

 

[Martyn]

Also, whether you come out of your seat or not, you still experience airtime, sometimes being in your seat is more thrilling as you feel like you're being dragged out of it.
We proved that on Detonator over this past season, before, everyone was riding it with stupidly loose restraints and flapping about all over the place on the drop, but then (I think it was) Kir suggested doing the restraint really tight, so instead of staying at the top on your own (not in your seat) for those couple of milliseconds, you're forced downwards straight away (faster than gravity), which gives you a better airtime feeling in your gut as all your organs try to go up your throat.

 

[kir]

For people that are voting OTSR, are you honestly saying you'd actually prefer to see greats like S:RoS and EGF with OTSRs? Do you not think there's more to a ride experience than just airtime? Plus if we're talking about a "non looping Intamin like KK or TTD" there isn't going to be room for airtime anyways.

I've only been on Balder, but that has T-Bars all the same, and plenty of airtime. My shoulders touch the rubber on the OTSRs, and I know for a fact my rides on any T-Bar coasters would be totally killed with OTSRs. For me it's not just airtime, it's the freedom of my upper body too. And plus I find it a lot easier to get pinned by the heavy OTSRs, on Stealth, Rita and Kanonen the restraints pin you as soon as you hit a high G.

 

[Almost]

For people that are voting OTSR, are you honestly saying you'd actually prefer to see greats like S:RoS and EGF with OTSRs?

Yes.

Do you not think there's more to a ride experience than just airtime? Plus if we're talking about a "non looping Intamin like KK or TTD" there isn't going to be room for airtime anyways.

The only reason I get air on Ka, is because of the restraints.

I've only been on Balder, but that has T-Bars all the same, and plenty of airtime.

But you stay planted on the seat.

My shoulders touch the rubber on the OTSRs, and I know for a fact my rides on any T-Bar coasters would be totally killed with OTSRs.

Most people aren't ~6'4"

For me it's not just airtime, it's the freedom of my upper body too. And plus I find it a lot easier to get pinned by the heavy OTSRs, on Stealth, Rita and Kanonen the restraints pin you as soon as you hit a high G.

I can move my upperbody as much as I wish, but on a coaster are you doing ****ing sit-ups? No. Your ****ing against the seat.

 

[Comet]

Ok, first of all, a ride like Balder, with OTSR.
I would LOVE for Liseberg to announce that and see how everyone reacts. Are you guys seriously saying that you want that.

I think it's more than airtime just as everyone else is saying. First of all the view is definitely worse with OTSR. Then I don't know how OTSR are better than T-Bar with putting your hands up, there just not.
Lastly, if you rode Balder with a loose OTSR, I beleive it would bruise your thighs due to you being thrown up into the lap bar. This is most likely the reason that B&M is able to give you room on there Hyper Coasters, the airtime is not intense at all. If you rode an Intamin ride with a lot of ejector air, and an OTSR, I would think that everytime you get good airtime it would hurt.

And yes, this is all opinion.

 

[Comet]

^Wow I am shocked at how long all your posts are. Anyway...

You know what, there's just no convincing you is there.
I'll just let the poll do the talking, jk.

 

[kir]

I've only been on Balder, but that has T-Bars all the same, and plenty of airtime.

But you stay planted on the seat.

No you don't.

My shoulders touch the rubber on the OTSRs, and I know for a fact my rides on any T-Bar coasters would be totally killed with OTSRs.

Most people aren't ~6'4"

Hence saying, MY rides would be totally killed. Not anyone elses.

For me it's not just airtime, it's the freedom of my upper body too. And plus I find it a lot easier to get pinned by the heavy OTSRs, on Stealth, Rita and Kanonen the restraints pin you as soon as you hit a high G.

I can move my upperbody as much as I wish, but on a coaster are you doing <img src=http://www.coasterforce.info/images/smiles/5censored.gif> sit-ups? No. Your <img src=http://www.coasterforce.info/images/smiles/5censored.gif> against the seat.

Perhaps you can't read. I mean, perhaps you didn't read my post. With OTSRs my shoulders are pinned. I can barely move. I'd much rather have a T-Bar where I could move my upper body and raise my arms as I wish than an OTSR where my shoulders dig into rubber and it gets uncomfortable when I raise them up. :lol:

No need to get pissy just because I don't like your OTSRs kid.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

It's interesting to note that quite a few people who have actually ridden both restraint types here are agreeing with me.

Not that you're one of those people.

Well, me and Snoo are both going to be those people in a few months, and until then no, we don't truly have a perfectly accurate opinion, however there really is no such thing as an accurate opinion, because the thing is they're just opinions. None of them are right or wrong, and whether OTSRs are better than T-bars isn't going to make the Earth explode.

Boy, those sure are close to their faces

Just because the restraints aren't smothering their face, or glued onto their skin doesn't mean they're not visible, which then produces the illusion (illusion, in case you didn't hear me right) that you're confined in. Again I know my opinion isn't worthy because I'm not as good as you in terms of being an enthusiast because you've been on more, though as I said I will tell you what I completely think after riding a coaster with them. Havn't I said my opinion isn't completely accurate about 50 times already? However, I doubt my before and after opinion will change much, just like you said you're confident your opinion won't change of TTD after you've been on it. And if you ask for the quote where you said that, I don't have it, but I wouldn't lie.

As we've said before - the T-Bar is good for rides like MF and TTD where airtime isn't a factor. Where you want airtime, you want the OTSR. If you want speed and illusion of freedom, you want the T-Bar. I don't see how that's so hard to understand......

Exactly, however I'd still probably (notice I said probably and not definately) prefer the T-bars, because if you don't staple yourself into them on purpose, or if you put your hips and thighs up while the restraint people are pushing them down, you should have a big enough gap of space in between you and the bar that's suitable for good airtime. If you don't know how to do this, you're an inexperienced rider (not directed to you in case you're wondering). I'd rather do this one extra little thing and have airtime and the feeling of freedom, than the illusion of no freedom and airtime.

Hence saying, MY rides would be totally killed. Not anyone elses.

Kir makes a good point. At least T-bars can make you have a comfortable ride no matter what your height or size is, unless of course you don't know how to fit in them properly, thus having a crotch crushing experience (which shouldn't even really happen as the restraints don't come near your penis or your balls, unless you're having an erection or something). So yah, if you know how to put the restraints on correctly and not purposely pin yourself into them you should be fine. Whereas people tall like Kir can't help but be crushed by the OTSR.

 

[Almost]

I've only been on Balder, but that has T-Bars all the same, and plenty of airtime.

But you stay planted on the seat.

No you don't.

Ok, it's apparent Balder has magical T-Bars because on Toro and S:RoS I felt the air pulling, but I stayed planted due to the fact my restraint was full down.

My shoulders touch the rubber on the OTSRs, and I know for a fact my rides on any T-Bar coasters would be totally killed with OTSRs.

Most people aren't ~6'4"

Hence saying, MY rides would be totally killed. Not anyone elses.

Fair enough, sucks for you.

For me it's not just airtime, it's the freedom of my upper body too. And plus I find it a lot easier to get pinned by the heavy OTSRs, on Stealth, Rita and Kanonen the restraints pin you as soon as you hit a high G.

I can move my upperbody as much as I wish, but on a coaster are you doing **** sit-ups? No. Your **** against the seat.

Perhaps you can't read. I mean, perhaps you didn't read my post. With OTSRs my shoulders are pinned. I can barely move. I'd much rather have a T-Bar where I could move my upper body and raise my arms as I wish than an OTSR where my shoulders dig into rubber and it gets uncomfortable when I raise them up. :lol:

No need to get pissy just because I don't like your OTSRs kid.

Yep, you caught me, I can't read...

Well thats a personal issue, Sucks for you.

T-Bars also don't allow people usually over 230 lbs +/- where as I've never seen someone turned away from Ka.

It's interesting to note that quite a few people who have actually ridden both restraint types here are agreeing with me.

Not that you're one of those people.

Well, me and Snoo are both going to be those people in a few months, and until then no, we don't truly have a perfectly accurate opinion, however there really is no such thing as an accurate opinion, because the thing is they're just opinions. None of them are right or wrong, and whether OTSRs are better than T-bars isn't going to make the Earth explode.

Perfectly accurate opinion?!?! How can you even have a ****ing opinion without riding one?!?!?! That's like saying white chocolate sucks without even tasting it...

Boy, those sure are close to their faces

Just because the restraints aren't smothering their face, or glued onto their skin doesn't mean they're not visible, which then produces the illusion (illusion, in case you didn't hear me right) that you're confined in.

I never notice them unless I look for them, again something you need to RIDE to understand.

Again I know my opinion isn't worthy because I'm not as good as you in terms of being an enthusiast because you've been on more, though as I said I will tell you what I completely think after riding a coaster with them. Havn't I said my opinion isn't completely accurate about 50 times already? However, I doubt my before and after opinion will change much, just like you said you're confident your opinion won't change of TTD after you've been on it. And if you ask for the quote where you said that, I don't have it, but I wouldn't lie.

This was just stupid, why even say this. Yes our opinion of something you have never ridden would be better than yours...twat.

As we've said before - the T-Bar is good for rides like MF and TTD where airtime isn't a factor. Where you want airtime, you want the OTSR. If you want speed and illusion of freedom, you want the T-Bar. I don't see how that's so hard to understand......

Hence saying, MY rides would be totally killed. Not anyone elses.

Kir makes a good point. At least T-bars can make you have a comfortable ride no matter what your height or size is, unless of course you don't know how to fit in them properly, thus having a crotch crushing experience (which shouldn't even really happen as the restraints don't come near your penis or your balls, unless you're having an erection or something). So yah, if you know how to put the restraints on correctly and not purposely pin yourself into them you should be fine. Whereas people tall like Kir can't help but be crushed by the OTSR.

You really didn't look at my post with the pictures then...ALL the people had some crotch stapling. Not to mention thousands of people a year are turned away from T-Bars because of weight restrictions...

 

[WuTang2k2]

Do I really see 'OTSR' and 'Freedom' being used in the same sentence? This is just nonsensical. T-bars being the 'illusion of freedom'? Is being wrapped up in a full harness your idea of freedom?

I see what people say about having the possibility of a few inches space inbetween your OTSR and yourself, but thats no different to a T-bar. And in all cases any hint of positive G and your restraint is going to pin you.

All in all, I'd rather not be wrapped in a harness, I dont want my view blocked by a column. If your talking about bums off seats, they both have their moments, but I'd rather my legs bumping into a T-bar than my legs and shoulders smashing into an OTSR, whilst my neck gets jerked into a neck-chopping strap.

The T-bar is ultimate. No holding on whatsoever, total exposition, and full enjoyment of negative G.

 

[Comet]

^Everything you said I agree with completeley.

Don't get into the weight restrictions, Almost.
We are talking about the ride experience for YOU, not for the people that can't fit.

I never notice them unless I look for them, again something you need to RIDE to understand.

I don't know if your exaggerating, but that is complete bull ****. Don't even try saying you don't see them unless your looking for them.
I'm not trying to start a fight with you man, but come on.

 

[Anonymous]

The only "real" problem with OTSR's is that they are painful on inversions/quick movements because you hit your neck into the restraint. That was the only problem I had with SR.

The OTSR on Maverick should show its true potential because no other Intamin has been fitted with as many potential airtime moments with OTSR's in my experience.

Just hope that inline twist doesn't kill your neck *sour face*.

If the ride works out well, it should really show you what Intamin OTSR's are capable of doing to rides. Also the seats are lower which should make it even more impressive.

However on Millennium Force, the ride is better with T-Bars. Reason is stated above.

IMO, however, my Ka experiance was kind-of dampered by the OTSR's because it made me more "secure." The first time I rode dragster I almost pissed myself because I was so scared. Plus it was my first ride, ever, at Cedar Point.

But really, it depends on what the ride is trying to deliver.

 

[Almost]

^Everything you said I agree with completeley.

Don't get into the weight restrictions, Almost.
We are talking about the ride experience for YOU, not for the people that can't fit.

But its the same for Kir, he's so tall it sucks for him...

I never notice them unless I look for them, again something you need to RIDE to understand.

I don't know if your exaggerating, but that is complete bull ****. Don't even try saying you don't see them unless your looking for them.
I'm not trying to start a fight with you man, but come on.

I really don't. Look at the pictures...

It's about 3 or 4 inches from the shoulder, just far enough where you don't touch them and don't see them on the ride. As I said before, I'm not doing sit ups on the ride, I'm sitting back...

 

[CedarPoint6]

I'm not sure how tall I am, but I know I'm pretty average at least. Probably near 6 something. While they didn't really obstruct my view, I could sense they were there. It's one of those things in your periphrial (I know I butchered that word) vision. I can tell that there's something around me, which is what ruined a lot of the experience for me. I know that's one of the reasons (among others) that I still rate TTD higher then Storm Runner. As for touching, no, I can't recall the restraints touching me when I was sitting back, but through the course of the ride with the movement that occurs, I hit them a decent amount of times. That's not much of an issue with me, however, since Storm Runner needed these either way. But if it were possible with T-bars, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

 

[F.A.S.T.]

I have to say T-bars. You have so much more freedom!

 

[CedarPoint6]

^ I don't think freedom is a good word here. You get different kinds of freedom with both. Supposedly there's more airtime freedom with OTSRs (which I can agree with), but there's tons of upper body freedom with the T-bars. So they both have freedom, just different kinds.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

Don't get into the weight restrictions, Almost.
We are talking about the ride experience for YOU, not for the people that can't fit.

Yah really. The majority of people can fit into the T-bars so I don't see why they should bother making tweaks to their restraints so the few obese people can fit. And face it, most obese people allow themselves to get that way so, too bad for them. Has nothing to do with which restraint is better.

Since I don't feel the need to flail around uncontrollably while riding, I'd much prefer the actual airtime freedom and such that the OTSR provides. Thus, why I'd prefer alot of hypers to have this great restraint.

I don't think anyone on here really feels the need to flail around uncontrollably, purposely trying to look like a fish out of water for the sake of looking retarded. The fact of the matter is, they give you more upper body freedom whether or not you choose to flail around purposely. Such as, the feeling you don't have a restraint around your upper body producing the feeling of vulnerability, if you get what I mean.

So it has nothing to do with "flailing around uncontrollably".

 

[Ben]

I change my mind to T-Bars.


I thought about how Goliath would be with OTSRs and nearly cried. The airtime is awesome because you're pushed SO hard against a tight restraint, and you feel like you're going to come out. Add to that the better view, lack of enclosing seat-backs, and ability to flail about madly (which is why the Stengel is so awesome), and as such T-Bars are actually much better.