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Re: King's Island "Unknown Coaster" 2014

And when have they ever really built anything big, as was my point. Outside of Mountain Flyer, they dont really use large layouts like what Hyde could be envisioning. Especially considering the largest layout GCI has made for the US will be Gold Striker when it opens.

GG would be the better choice, as something like Ravine Flyer II would work wonders for KI in that location.
 
I think a big thing about the replacement will be erasing the memory of SoB. If anything with wood is there, people will still think it is SoB, just like at SFMM where a lot of people call Apocalypse Psyclone, because it is wooden. Granted most people are smarter than that, but it will bring bad memories of it. So more than likely it would be steel. It won't be more than 305 ft tall though because how dare any Cedar Fair park get anything bigger than a ride at Cedar Point (as we have seen recent additions at KD and CW suggest, they will all be shorter then Millennium Force).

I would love to see Prowler triple sized in that area. For its size, it packs a punch, and I am sure GCI, if given the money and area to build, could surely build something that would blow everyone's socks off.
 
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Intricks said:
And when have they ever really built anything big, as was my point. Outside of Mountain Flyer, they dont really use large layouts like what Hyde could be envisioning. Especially considering the largest layout GCI has made for the US will be Gold Striker when it opens.

GG would be the better choice, as something like Ravine Flyer II would work wonders for KI in that location.
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Well... Mountain Flyer. :razz:

The length of a roller coaster depends on how much is invested. There is no golden rule that say you cannot build a GCI in America longer than 3,200 ft.

GCI has shown they can build a 4,500+ ft. long roller coaster that utilizes terrain with Mountain Flyer. Since Cedar Fair is about to build their third GCI, with the previous two being a definite hit, there is no reason to switch manufacturers.

Let us not also forget the maintenance issue some Gravity Group coasters have faced - Voyage and Boardwalk Bullet in particular, requiring large portions of the ride to be replaced within the first years of operation.
 
furie said:
It depends on what they want.

B&M produce things that sit within their own fluffy little world. It's almost off-the-shelf production for them, even something like Leviathan didn't push them or their hardware.

So it's safe and predictable. Mack too aren't in the "big thrill" game. Their Megacoasters are superb rides, but they're family (just :lol: ). Zierer the same. Only Intamin and Gravity Group are pushing the boundaries of thrill - but it comes at a cost.

So yeah, it's really all down to who they see as a demographic and how they want to market the ride...
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What about RMC? Outlaw Run doesn't push the boundaries?
 
RMC has only built one roller coaster previously and they have two on the plate this year. They're a rather new company so they have to push something in order to earn a living. B&M was doing the exact same thing pre-2000 and look at where they are now, they haven't continuously tried to push their boundaries like Intamin has and there's a reason why a lot of their rides look almost "cookie-cutter."

RMC needs to do it to stay afloat or they'll go back to just doing retracking efforts, whereas other companies already have the reputation so they can pretty much do whatever they want.
 
It would be fair to still consider RMC a startup company on the fringe - not a main competitor. Once they build a number more coasters, then we can seriously talk about the company.

In all seriousness, an inverted or winged B&M coaster would be another reasonable option for Kings Island. That is the only real "missing link" of Kings Island's roller coaster lineup when compared to others.
 
Would seem odd to build to winged coasters in the same state but they already have two dinos alive and two closed down windseekers, so I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Kings Island and Cedar Point operate in two different market areas and are not in real competition. Cedar Point's largest draw are the Cleveland, Detroit, Columbus, and Pittsburgh areas while Kings Island draws Cincinnati, Northern Kentucky, and West Virginia. It's ok to have overlapped rides.

Geauga Lake on the other hand also drew from the Cleveland area, and was in competition with Cedar Point, especially under the watch of Six Flags - a factor that led to its ultimate demise.

Every major amusement park tends to follow a roller coaster check list:

  • Large Steel Coaster
  • Large Wooden Coaster
  • Out and Back Wooden Coaster
  • Inverted Coaster
  • Floorless/Winged/Stand Up Coaster
  • Mine Train
  • Racing Coaster
  • Launched Coaster
  • Multi Looper (usually Arrow or Vekoma)
  • Indoor Coaster
  • "Unique" Coasters - Flying, Boomerang, Vertical Drop, Water, etc.

This is a rough criteria that obviously not all amusement parks would match, but for the most part many parks can knock off majority of this list.

What Kings Island is without is a true Inverted Coaster (not Invertigo) or a Floorless/Winged/Stand Up Coaster - or in other words a B&M. Such a ride would be a sure hit.
 
Considering Hyde's checklist, KI should go with an invert, something like Nemesis would be absolutely awesome. A ground hugging invert would appeal to most of the GP, although they prob wouldn't care;)
 
I think that the best option would be to theme the new coaster (GCI, Wingrider, invert, epic giant terrain pinfari, whatever) to the whole Beast storyline that they carried on with Son of Beast, like making this ride a Beast too. If they did a wingrider called Winged Beast or something like that, for instance.

As for what would go best there, I think Kings Island's lacking something unique. A bigger, terrain-hugging version of I-305 or Skyrush would go well there to fill the absolute hardcore thrill ride void left by SoB, or the wingrider/invert that everybody's talking about since the closest Kings Island has is Invertigo which doesn't really count. A huge GCI or RMC could also be a possibility, too, since Cedar Fair has had so much success with their other two GCIs and Kings Island is kind of known for being one of those parks with a bunch of wooden coasters.

Whatever it is, they should do something to acknowledge that SoB was there in the first place, like what BGW did for Big Bad Wolf and Verbolten. That dip-turn thing before the drop or putting a big vertical loop where Son of Beast's loop was would work well for that in addition to theming it as a continuation of Son of Beast's storyline.
 
NAPayne14 said:
They should do something like what Metroid did with Ridley, make a steel realitive of the Beast
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Yes. A massively long terrain Steel coaster. Metal Beast or Iron Beast or Steel beast or a really **** name. If it's a long steel coaster who cares what its called :wink:
 
Re: King's Island "Unknown Coaster" 2014

Kings Island wont do anything to harm Beasts title. If they did anything, RMC conversion would be the more than likely idea as you cant see the ride in ANY form, so god knows what they could do to it.

As for the plot line, it would be nice if they continued it, but it would be awesome if they did it subtely (as with Verbolten).
 
Beast doesn't need a conversion...that is just ridiculous. It was amazing when I rode it, granted that was 3 years ago, but still, it can't get unbearable in 3 years, especially since I thought for its age, it was pretty smooth. Intricks, you are the only person I have heard who truly hates Beast it seems.
 
I would never want the beast's layout tampered with in any way. It does exactly what it sets out to do very well. Just keep re tracking it every once in a while and I'll be happy.
 
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