"Mumbo Jumbo" - S&S El Loco for Flamingo Land

[Ian]

Funnily enough, I had an email from Nick Buckley (Ops Director) at Flamingoland this morning. Still a record breaker!

Answer on the 120º issue is that Steel Hawg is actually 111º - the 120 was an early design, and the S&S marketing people weren't quite as up to date with the engineering people when that coaster was launched.

Ours will be 1º steeper than Indiana beach.

Also, here's some rendering a photo of the trains!

Trains look pretty sweet if you ask me. Which nobody did.

 

[Inverse]

hey, Ian, what do you think of the trains?

 

[Ian]

Hahaha, I think they look pretty sweet. I just hope they offer the same amount of freedom that I've experinced on S&S's Rush and Slammer.

 

[Anonymous]

Still not a record breaker in my eyes, since the drop is trimmed in comparison to what Saw have.
But if they count trimmed drops then Cool'n'Fresh (traveling), Afterburner (at Divo Ostrov) or any of the Screaming Squirrel (Gardaland and Mysterious Island) models are steeper then this one. So the record is just as fake as Eejanaika's 14 inversions, or that PMBO is the tallest and fastest coaster in Europe.

If those colours on the concept drawings are correct then it looks like this coaster, not only will have inverted colours on it's trains but also on the whole structure and track compared to Steel Hawg.
Looks really nice IMHO.

 

[Pokemaniac]

^You all forget SFOG's Superman: Ultimate Flight.

The Pretzel loop is about 400 degrees, and it is by all means a plunge. Thus, a drop. You start going downwards into the element, and the bend of the track does not change direction before it has travelled a full course and even more than that.

And those trains look like nutcrackers.

 

[Pierre]

Clear as crystal Mike T you ****ing mug.

Do you think GWR would actually turn up if a smart-ass like you could say "HEY GAIZ GO TO INDIANA BEACH LOLZ".

Gordon Gibb is the real deal, he isn't a mug, unlike your good self.

 

[Emmett]

Wow, great scoop for Flamingoland to get the World Records crew to come over for the launch. Going to have to try and make it to the open day now just to see this.

I like the new logo too, it really suits the coaster and I love the little dig at the other parks they mention in the article, which I'm guessing means Thorpe.

 

[Ali]

That first drop looks lush.
And those trains :--D

 

[Kebab]

^You all forget SFOG's Superman: Ultimate Flight.

The Pretzel loop is about 400 degrees, and it is by all means a plunge. Thus, a drop. You start going downwards into the element, and the bend of the track does not change direction before it has travelled a full course and even more than that.

And those trains look like nutcrackers.

G Force? C'mon that is a stupidly steep drop for such a crap ride

I'm so glad the countries getting an El Loco, I was looking at Steel Hawg and drooling at that ridiculous drop, and it flows through the layout like melted ice cream in my gob :lol:

Even if its practically a clone, saves you a flight to USA doesn't it?

 

[Crazycoaster]

Hmm I'm still not convinced by it. It still looks too much like S&S designed this thing using one o' them marble runs you can buy from the gadget store. It just looks.. painful. Especially if it uses those horrible restraints that slammer does, that dig into your back.

 

[Snoo]

^You all forget SFOG's Superman: Ultimate Flight.

The Pretzel loop is about 400 degrees, and it is by all means a plunge. Thus, a drop. You start going downwards into the element, and the bend of the track does not change direction before it has travelled a full course and even more than that.

And those trains look like nutcrackers.

G Force? C'mon that is a stupidly steep drop for such a crap ride

I'm so glad the countries getting an El Loco, I was looking at Steel Hawg and drooling at that ridiculous drop, and it flows through the layout like melted ice cream in my gob :lol:

Even if its practically a clone, saves you a flight to USA doesn't it?

Sucks having to come here to ride actually good coasters..

 

[Mike T]

Clear as crystal Mike T you <img> mug.

Do you think GWR would actually turn up if a smart-ass like you could say "HEY GAIZ GO TO INDIANA BEACH LOLZ".

Gordon Gibb is the real deal, he isn't a mug, unlike your good self.

Bravo Pierre. :roll:

Well done...well done for biting at the bullet and taking a blatant shot at me why you could. You obviously wouldn't be saying this had Ian not posted that tidbit of information, so quit acting like you know people's places when you don't. My response to you had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the drop's angle was 112 degrees, rather pointing out your blatant inability to read the most obvious details in a press release - rather, skipping it all and looking at the graphics instead. Perhaps if you read to begin with, I wouldn't have pointed out the facts to you - and maybe I could have engaged in some quality discussion with you. But nope, 22 year old Pierre had to call names like a 5 year old because somebody suggested that he do the simplest of tasks... read the document.

Since we're on the subject of being crystal clear, let me make your comment clear to you...

It’s been quoted as 112 degrees in one video by an operations manager... they're still marketing it as the worlds steepest drop on a rollercoaster everywhere else so it could have been an incorrect quote?? And as far I'm aware Flamingo Lands marketing dept hasn't taken a leaf out of PBB's Marketing dept, before anyone else says it.

If it was an incorrect quote (which it's not) it wouldn't have been listed in the press release to begin with. If you're going to market something as having the world’s steepest drop, chances are you don't want to **** up that statistic. Now this is all considering that before Ian's tidbit of information, we were all under the impression that Steel Hawg boasted a 120 degree drop...making what I said a very valid and understandable comment... (Again let’s review)

That'd be like giving the title to Millennium Force back in 2000 full knowing that Oblivion's drop was *shock* a whole 8 degrees steeper. If Gordon Gibb want's to talk about being the real deal, how about not pretending his ride is something that it obviously didn't achieve...

So let’s do the math Pierre - before Ian's post we knew the following:

1) Mumbo Jumbo had been mentioned having a 112 degree first drop by (as quoted by you)

an operations manager...

2) Steel Hawg has been listed as having a 120 degree first drop for the past 14 months. Don't believe me? Let’s recap THAT press release:

Steel Hawg, which will rise 96 feet above ground and feature a 120º first drop along with multiple inversions, will be designed and constructed by ride manufacturer S & S Worldwide, Inc. of Logan, Utah. The company also produced Indiana Beach's popular Double Shot tower ride and its Frog Hopper kiddie ride. "We've had an excellent relationship with S & S over the years and we're looking forward to continuing that relationship with Steel Hawg," stated Spackman. "The coaster will be a very distinctive ride with tight turns, 90º banks, inversions, and one-of-a-kind elements. However, with a height limit of 48 inches, it's also a ride designed for families to enjoy together."

3) Mumbo Jumbo's press release states that it's not only going to break records, but its first drop is of 112 degrees; making it 8 degrees shy of what its counterpart in Indiana achieved when it opened last July... Again let’s recap...

Flamingo Land in North Yorkshire has revealed its new rollercoaster concept for the 2009 season and, it’s a world’s first! The ride; named ‘Mumbo Jumbo’, will feature the most extreme drop in history plunging thrill seekers 112o from a high point of 30 metres generating in excess of 4Gs on it’s passengers.

Does the math not add up to you Pierre, or are you just having a **** day and feel like throwing names at people over the internet? Get over yourself, learn how to read and not just look at pictures next time, then assess the situation and determine whether the next comments that fly out of your mouth warrant the kind of language you choose to use to express your thoughts...

Thanks...

 

[Ben]

^Jesus.

I know I'm rude, but you take the biscuit for being an absolute twat.

 

[Mike T]

^ Good ****.

As far as the layout for Mumbo Jumbo goes, I'm a bit disappointed that it's identical to Steel Hawg's (sans the 1 degree drop difference). The good news is that the ride itself is a really cool experience with a lot of interesting maneuvers - an experience that I've never felt on a coaster before. The first drop's trim is needed, but you do get a major dosage of airtime coming off of it. For somebody who's experienced the vertical / beyond vertical drops of B&M, Intamin, S&S, and Gerstlaurer, its definitely a different feeling - and very hard to describe. Its almost as you're being thrown out into the open and then scooped back up by the train.

The capacity for it sucks, but then again they were only running 2 of the 4 cars available for Steel Hawg when I rode. Here's to hoping the operations at Flamingo Land can warrent better throughput than what was being offered in Indiana.

 

[Ben]

^Irony, anyone?

Only if you're American and can only use terms based on what Alanis Morissette songs teach you.

If you'd read the post, you'd realise it's not ironic. Of course, you don't actually read posts, you just start typing whatever springs into that small space you call a mind.

 

[Mike T]

I hope S&S went back and redesigned the brake run for Mumbo Jumbo as well. When I rode Steel Hawg back in August, every time a train would engage the magnets, it'd slow the train down so much that it didnt have enough momentum to reach the station - resulting in a team of two mechanics having to be on the load platform at all times.

My guess is that the magnets were placed too high, resulting in a much stronger force than if they were positioned a bit lower from the train. I'm not too sure if thats the fault of Indiana Beach or S&S, but regardless its an issue that I hope was addressed in the creation of Flamingo Land's version.

 

[Ben]

Of course, if Ben had known the definition of irony, he'd see that his unwillingness to actually understand what Mike was saying and his ignorance in his response to the matter in favor of simply attempting to insult him with a one-liner actually does constitute irony.

No, it really doesn't

Do yourself a MASSIVE favour, and buy a dictionary.

 

[CedarPoint6]

Enough.

Back to the topic.

 

[costar]

Just incase anyone was in any doubt about the integrity of our friends at Flamingoland, see below.

I, for one, would never suspect a theme park of lying to gain a commercial advantage... even when I was holding a protractor to my screen. ; )

 

[costar]

Fair enough, but (assuming the photo has not been distorted) I'd say it's pretty accurate. Try it for yourself. There is a BIG difference between 111 degrees and 120. I'm not saying you could distinguish between the 111 and the 112 on the two coasters.. that probably would be too close to call, but having gone into the exercise doubting Nick Buckley's all too convenient story that the S&S marketing guys has simply "got it wrong", I'm now prepared to hold my hands up and admit, he's probably right, there is no way that Steel Hawg is 120 degrees. Excuse the long sentence.