New Wanda Parks (Intamin Layout & Dueling Tilt Coasters?)

[andrus]

Re: New Wanda Parks (Intamin Layout & Dueling Tilt Coasters?

^Thanks!

Although that picture alone doesn't show much of the surrounding terrain. But now we know the support colours at least

I'm a bit surpriced that they use the old style supports though! Skyrush, I305, iSpeed and the new Cinecitta looper all uses square supports. But Cheetah Hunt and now this ride uses the old circular supports.. Anybody know why Intamin has such an inconsistency with their supports?? Will be interestig to see whether they use the new or old style track on this ride as well!

 

[_koppen]

Re: New Wanda Parks (Intamin Layout & Dueling Tilt Coasters?

I honestly have no idea. I wonder if it's a capacity thing maybe.

There's also no real pattern to follow either. Both Formula Rossa and the new ride at Vialand uses the round supports as well.
I'd be real surprised if it's the old track style tough!

 

[andrus]

Re: New Wanda Parks (Intamin Layout & Dueling Tilt Coasters?

^I doubt it has anything to do with capacity. There are rides with small trains using both circular (Maverick) and square (iSpeed) supports. I couldn't find any coaster with larger/longer trains being built with circular supports in reacent years though.

Regarding the track I though it had to do with height, i.e. taller rides used the newer style of track (Skyrush etc) to minimize the amount of large supports. But then I305 spends most of it's layout close to ground (except for the lift hill, which got a completely different design anyway). It's hard to find any pattern at all! Maybe it has to do with which coasters are designed in USA and which are design in Switzerland?

 

[_koppen]

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^I doubt it has anything to do with capacity. There are rides with small trains using both circular (Maverick) and square (iSpeed) supports. I couldn't find any coaster with larger/longer trains being built with circular supports in reacent years though.

No, not that capacity. The capacity at the facility who manufacturers the rail and supports.
I can imagine that the square supports are faster to produce.

That is the only thing I can think of, as I don't think they have any real benefits structural wise.
I can write to Sascha and ask, if you want me too?

Regarding the track I though it had to do with height, i.e. taller rides used the newer style of track (Skyrush etc) to minimize the amount of large supports. But then I305 spends most of it's layout close to ground (except for the lift hill, which got a completely different design anyway). It's hard to find any pattern at all! Maybe it has to do with which coasters are designed in USA and which are design in Switzerland?

The double spine is used to minimize the number of foundations used, as they are a very expensive part of the ride. There is no real savings in steal as the savings of the number of supports goes into to the added extra spine of the track. The savings is mostly in the foundations.

I do think that you need a pretty big ride for breaking even with double track style, as if a smaller ride would use the double spine it would probably end up using more steel than the triangle track system, costing more than the foundations could save.

The ride in China should should probably be qualified for double spine track, but on the other hand labour and concrete dosen't cost s**t in China, so it could very well use the old track as well. The ride is however designed in Europe (or the US) so they have probably considered the foundations it anyway.

I really hope they use the double spine system, as I'm very curious to how they would approach the lift hill I305/Skyrush style, with the turn on the top.

 

[andrus]

Re: New Wanda Parks (Intamin Layout & Dueling Tilt Coasters?

^I doubt it has anything to do with capacity. There are rides with small trains using both circular (Maverick) and square (iSpeed) supports. I couldn't find any coaster with larger/longer trains being built with circular supports in reacent years though.

No, not that capacity. The capacity at the facility who manufacturers the rail and supports.
I can imagine that the square supports are faster to produce.

That is the only thing I can think of, as I don't think they have any real benefits structural wise.
I can write to Sascha and ask, if you want me too?

Ok, I thought it seemed strange the other way around! But still; Skryrush which use some of the biggest (and probably heaviest) trains , and has a very sparse use of supports, utilizes the square supports. Which seems strange if they where less good structural wise. It has to be something else!

I don't know who Sasha is? But if you think he knows the answere you might as well send him a message! It would be interesting to know

Regarding the track I though it had to do with height, i.e. taller rides used the newer style of track (Skyrush etc) to minimize the amount of large supports. But then I305 spends most of it's layout close to ground (except for the lift hill, which got a completely different design anyway). It's hard to find any pattern at all! Maybe it has to do with which coasters are designed in USA and which are design in Switzerland?

The double spine is used to minimize the number of foundations used, as they are a very expensive part of the ride. There is no real savings in steal as the savings of the number of supports goes into to the added extra spine of the track. The savings is mostly in the foundations.

I do think that you need a pretty big ride for breaking even with double track style, as if a smaller ride would use the double spine it would probably end up using more steel than the triangle track system, costing more than the foundations could save.

The ride in China should should probably be qualified for double spine track, but on the other hand labour and concrete dosen't cost s**t in China, so it could very well use the old track as well. The ride is however designed in Europe (or the US) so they have probably considered the foundations it anyway.

I really hope they use the double spine system, as I'm very curious to how they would approach the lift hill I305/Skyrush style, with the turn on the top.

That is a quite contradictory statement; that the new style of track is used to minimize foundations, yet only big rides profit from using it. If it was true that the only saving was using less foundations, then cost/saving would be proportional to ride length, and all rides would benefit from it no matter the size. I personally believe it has to do with the amount of steel used in the supports versus the steel required for producing the double spine (in combination with using less foundations, but that factor does not vary with ride size like I mentioned before). You can always ask Sasha this question too, if he knows the answere!

 

[_koppen]

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I don't know who Sasha is? But if you think he knows the answere you might as well send him a message! It would be interesting to know

Sacsha is the head of Intamin Europe. It's actually my wife who writes to him, and she always gets an answer in due time.

That is a quite contradictory statement; that the new style of track is used to minimize foundations, yet only big rides profit from using it. If it was true that the only saving was using less foundations, then cost/saving would be proportional to ride length, and all rides would benefit from it no matter the size. I personally believe it has to do with the amount of steel used in the supports versus the steel required for producing the double spine (in combination with using less foundations, but that factor does not vary with ride size like I mentioned before). You can always ask Sasha this question too, if he knows the answere!

It was Sandor, from Intaride, who said that the savings was mostly done in the foundations, and that is why they doubled the backbone-pipe of the track.

What I was thinking is that the new rail uses quite a lot more steel compared to the triangle style of track, so that's why you needed quite a big ride in order to gain any savings. Kinda like the usual fixed expenses for a company that can't be changed, they are always there.

It's only what I think.

 

[andrus]

Re: New Wanda Parks (Intamin Layout & Dueling Tilt Coasters?

Ok, but it would be nice to know the actual answere So feel free to send Sasha a message!