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Phantasialand | F. L. Y. | Vekoma Launched Flying Coaster | 2020
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CoasterCrank
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Okay... I think it was a bit exaggerated...XD But the idea was okay! ^^....and on the other hand: we're talking about PHANTASIALAND!
By the way... a protruding decoration is more probably!
CSLKennyNI
Giga Poster
Yeah. Its also definitely a better location than his original proposal.
Howie
Donkey in a hat
Screw the wall, I've just re-watched that video of the test track facility thingy. To be fair I've watched it several times already on a small screen but could never get my head round what was actually happening, y'know? Couldn't see how the seats were configured, or how the transition from sitting-to-flying would work, that sideways loading track baffled me... but now I've seen it on a proper monitor the penny has finally dropped. Hoorah!
Man, that is weird but oh so clever. So, you'll leave the station travelling sideways, yes? And then as the track levels out, the riders kinda 'cartwheel' into the flying position, is that right? That is genius! I bet B&M are kicking themselves for not thinking of that one sooner.
Ok, I'll admit it, my interest in this project has gone up a tad. I wouldn't say I'm excited for it just yet, but I'm definitely more intrigued than I was when it was just photos of a wall.
Man, that is weird but oh so clever. So, you'll leave the station travelling sideways, yes? And then as the track levels out, the riders kinda 'cartwheel' into the flying position, is that right? That is genius! I bet B&M are kicking themselves for not thinking of that one sooner.
Ok, I'll admit it, my interest in this project has gone up a tad. I wouldn't say I'm excited for it just yet, but I'm definitely more intrigued than I was when it was just photos of a wall.
roomraider
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B&M literally did think of it soonerScrew the wall, I've just re-watched that video of the test track facility thingy. To be fair I've watched it several times already on a small screen but could never get my head round what was actually happening, y'know? Couldn't see how the seats were configured, or how the transition from sitting-to-flying would work, that sideways loading track baffled me... but now I've seen it on a proper monitor the penny has finally dropped. Hoorah!
Man, that is weird but oh so clever. So, you'll leave the station travelling sideways, yes? And then as the track levels out, the riders kinda 'cartwheel' into the flying position, is that right? That is genius! I bet B&M are kicking themselves for not thinking of that one sooner.
Ok, I'll admit it, my interest in this project has gone up a tad. I wouldn't say I'm excited for it just yet, but I'm definitely more intrigued than I was when it was just photos of a wall.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/pub...n_EP&FT=D&date=20080515&CC=AT&NR=392242T&KC=T
Antinos
Slut for Spinners
The rails at the Vekoma version are vertikal, but on B&M is not vertikal, that makes a lot of difference.
In B&M top view, u can see the seats are NOT parallel to the rails. A big advantage that Vekoma has !!
Certainly that angle in the load position is simply from how they chose to design the pivot, no? The coaches would still rotate into a flying position - I'd bet that the angled pivot allows for a slightly more comfortable ride position. B&M probably said that instead of just reclining each seat more, they'd achieve the same effect with just angling the pivot slightly. Although I'm not really seeing how either design would have an advantage over the other. The only sideways transport would be in and out of the station and maybe up the lift if that was how B&M chose to design their rides.
No doubt, but it's essentially the same as the B&M one from that patent. The angle of the track/train is semantics.
Still, Vekoma are building it and B&M aren't, so they obviously worked something out!
Howie
Donkey in a hat
Forgive me if this has been covered already (it's a big ol' topic and I can't be bothered to trawl through it all), but you know that bit where the seats cartwheel 90° into the riding position? Is it reasonable to assume that they could, in theory, rotate the seats 90° in the opposite direction, resulting in a ... in a 'backwards flying coaster'?? Like... in the flying position but travelling feet first? If so, could it therefore also be possible that the riding position is altered during the ride? Kinda like X2, but instead of spinning end-over-end, you spin horizontally from head-first to feet-first?
Yeah I know, it sounds wild, and it probably wouldn't work on any high speed, outdoor sections of track, and you definitely wouldn't want to climb a lift-hill feet first, but I'm thinking more along the lines of slow-moving, 'dark ride' segments of the ride, with scenery and theming and stuff to look at.
I'm probably talking out of my arse, and I'm not suggesting that F.L.Y will utilise any of this nonsense, it's just, y'know, the possibilities for weird and wacky elements this ride type offers are endless, and I wouldn't be surprised if Phantasialand have something crazy up their sleeve that we don't yet know about.
Edit: what's the betting that "I'm probably talking out of my arse" will end up as a quote in somebody's signature?
Yeah I know, it sounds wild, and it probably wouldn't work on any high speed, outdoor sections of track, and you definitely wouldn't want to climb a lift-hill feet first, but I'm thinking more along the lines of slow-moving, 'dark ride' segments of the ride, with scenery and theming and stuff to look at.
I'm probably talking out of my arse, and I'm not suggesting that F.L.Y will utilise any of this nonsense, it's just, y'know, the possibilities for weird and wacky elements this ride type offers are endless, and I wouldn't be surprised if Phantasialand have something crazy up their sleeve that we don't yet know about.
Edit: what's the betting that "I'm probably talking out of my arse" will end up as a quote in somebody's signature?
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That's what I initially thought we might see (because that would be AWESOME) but it'd totally defeat the entire point of why the walls are going up (to stop the noise from the cred reaching the neighbours).
Lofty
CF Legend
Nah, it could potentially happen, yes. Unless the system is locked until in certain positions of the track, or the actual hardware for rotation is built into the track system itself - similar to how some spinning coasters snap back to the forward position. (but it doesn't look that way)Forgive me if this has been covered already (it's a big ol' topic and I can't be bothered to trawl through it all), but you know that bit where the seats cartwheel 90° into the riding position? Is it reasonable to assume that they could, in theory, rotate the seats 90° in the opposite direction, resulting in a ... in a 'backwards flying coaster'?? Like... in the flying position but travelling feet first? If so, could it therefore also be possible that the riding position is altered during the ride? Kinda like X2, but instead of spinning end-over-end, you spin horizontally from head-first to feet-first?
Yeah I know, it sounds wild, and it probably wouldn't work on any high speed, outdoor sections of track, and you definitely wouldn't want to climb a lift-hill feet first, but I'm thinking more along the lines of slow-moving, 'dark ride' segments of the ride, with scenery and theming and stuff to look at.
I'm probably talking out of my arse, and I'm not suggesting that F.L.Y will utilise any of this nonsense, it's just, y'know, the possibilities for weird and wacky elements this ride type offers are endless, and I wouldn't be surprised if Phantasialand have something crazy up their sleeve that we don't yet know about.
Edit: what's the betting that "I'm probably talking out of my arse" will end up as a quote in somebody's signature?
CSLKennyNI
Giga Poster
Wall update!
The typical green and yellow Wuze colours now starting to appear.
Plus decorative wood has been added along the top, similar to the wood on the front of Wuze Town.
On the left the frame work and mesh for the theming there is now in place, ready for the concrete spray. You can make out another small window, birds head and a 4th round tower - pretty much the same design as that of the right side of the wall. So overall it will be rather symmetrical.
To the right of themed wall are the large steel towers (which the coaster passes through as seen in the older picture below), connected to a row of towers forming a sound barrier wall along the side of Wuze Town.
As seen in the new pictures, this gap between the two Fantasy facing towers has been closed up.
It hasn't been completely closed up at the bottom since between those two towers will be the entrance/gateway from Fantasy into Rookburgh - so you'll step through the gateway into the world of Rookburgh with the four industrial towers and coaster towering directly overhead.
Now that the wall has been completed we will probably soon be theming work start on those surfaces too, and the creation of the gateway.
Views from yesterday just to demonstrate the scale of these walls.
Pictures from CoasterFriends.de
The typical green and yellow Wuze colours now starting to appear.
Plus decorative wood has been added along the top, similar to the wood on the front of Wuze Town.
On the left the frame work and mesh for the theming there is now in place, ready for the concrete spray. You can make out another small window, birds head and a 4th round tower - pretty much the same design as that of the right side of the wall. So overall it will be rather symmetrical.
To the right of themed wall are the large steel towers (which the coaster passes through as seen in the older picture below), connected to a row of towers forming a sound barrier wall along the side of Wuze Town.
As seen in the new pictures, this gap between the two Fantasy facing towers has been closed up.
It hasn't been completely closed up at the bottom since between those two towers will be the entrance/gateway from Fantasy into Rookburgh - so you'll step through the gateway into the world of Rookburgh with the four industrial towers and coaster towering directly overhead.
Now that the wall has been completed we will probably soon be theming work start on those surfaces too, and the creation of the gateway.
Views from yesterday just to demonstrate the scale of these walls.
Pictures from CoasterFriends.de
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CSLKennyNI
Giga Poster
The gaps in the wall are definitely getting a protruding theming structure of some kind.
Just wasn't quite expecting this...
Source - Marco Liedtke on Facebook group Achterbahn Fans Deutschland
The wall is built across the top of a 1 storey concrete building. So I guess this will attach to the front of that building facing Wuze to make it look like a one whole structure? Rather than a small building with a wall on top.
Just wasn't quite expecting this...
Source - Marco Liedtke on Facebook group Achterbahn Fans Deutschland
The wall is built across the top of a 1 storey concrete building. So I guess this will attach to the front of that building facing Wuze to make it look like a one whole structure? Rather than a small building with a wall on top.
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Ethan
Strata Poster
What on earth is that structure?? Excited to see what it turns out to be! Also, I wonder if they'll give the existing walls (as seen in the photo shared by CSLKennyNI) a lick of paint too, so that it looks more consistent?
CSLKennyNI
Giga Poster
New view of the structure now in place from PhantaFriends.de.
I'm guessing the 2 peaks/bits sticking up might be more of those small pointed red tower things...
Comparing the new theming elements/design to the old Wuze Town ones also just has highlighted for me how far the park has come in terms of high quality rockwork since then. Parts of the interior of Wuze Town just seem quite dated now, and the queueline for Winjas desperately needs refurbishing.
Obviously we've seen over the past few years how they have been getting Universal Rocks to come in and redo all the rockwork around Black Mamba/Africa so it is of the same standard as Chiapas/Klugheim. Presumably with little left to do in Africa, after the upcoming off season they should be done there, so if they continue I'd like to think Wuze Town (and Colorado Adventure) will be next.
I'm guessing the 2 peaks/bits sticking up might be more of those small pointed red tower things...
Yeah I would hope they spruce the rest up so it doesn't stick out and overall looks as if it has always been a part of the Wuze Valley - which actually will feel like more of a valley with these walls. Last year they replaced and improved the houses around the lake/Wakobato, so hopefully this is all put of a larger Fantasy refresh/modernisation.
Comparing the new theming elements/design to the old Wuze Town ones also just has highlighted for me how far the park has come in terms of high quality rockwork since then. Parts of the interior of Wuze Town just seem quite dated now, and the queueline for Winjas desperately needs refurbishing.
Obviously we've seen over the past few years how they have been getting Universal Rocks to come in and redo all the rockwork around Black Mamba/Africa so it is of the same standard as Chiapas/Klugheim. Presumably with little left to do in Africa, after the upcoming off season they should be done there, so if they continue I'd like to think Wuze Town (and Colorado Adventure) will be next.
Be_coaster
Roller Poster
Interesting to see that they closed to view attracties the Black Tower at the right. Does somebody know if they are working on something just behind the wall they've just created?