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US Election; what are your thoughts?

I think there's a lot of fear within the party to support whoever the nom is and with whatever they say vs letting the other side win. Like yeah, there are FOR SURE people who are 100% in on whatever Trump says and will go with it.... but I'm sure there are others who can't stand him but will still vote for me over letting a FEMALE win, that's too scary.

If you want a good read, check out the horrifying wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpism
 
Matt N said:
Out of interest, is there a notable percentage of the American electorate that believes in conspiracy theories or something?

I only ask because I’ve noticed that Donald Trump seems to spout unfounded conspiracy theories all the time (in the recent Kamala debate alone, you had things like “they’re eating the dogs and cats in Springfield” and “Democrats want to kill babies after they’re born”), and a considerable amount of the American population seems to lap it up. I feel like British politicians wouldn’t be able to get away with spouting unfounded conspiracy theories, but Trump seems to do it constantly and a not insignificant percentage of the American electorate clearly agrees with his theories and policies to some extent.

Are conspiracy theories a bigger, more believed in thing in America than in Britain? When trying to read about American politics and Trump, I’ve noticed that they often seem to talk about Trump supporters believing in a number of conspiracy theories that I’d never heard of. For instance, I had to Google what QAnon was, as that’s apparently a big one believed by Trump and his fans…
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Well you see, a large portion of Americans are idiots. That’s it. That’s your answer.
 
Matt N said:
Out of interest, is there a notable percentage of the American electorate that believes in conspiracy theories or something?

I only ask because I’ve noticed that Donald Trump seems to spout unfounded conspiracy theories all the time (in the recent Kamala debate alone, you had things like “they’re eating the dogs and cats in Springfield” and “Democrats want to kill babies after they’re born”), and a considerable amount of the American population seems to lap it up. I feel like British politicians wouldn’t be able to get away with spouting unfounded conspiracy theories, but Trump seems to do it constantly and a not insignificant percentage of the American electorate clearly agrees with his theories and policies to some extent.

Are conspiracy theories a bigger, more believed in thing in America than in Britain? When trying to read about American politics and Trump, I’ve noticed that they often seem to talk about Trump supporters believing in a number of conspiracy theories that I’d never heard of. For instance, I had to Google what QAnon was, as that’s apparently a big one believed by Trump and his fans…
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You see the vocal minority. Most people I know, whether your Left, Right, or Center, are pretty moderate in most views and rational. Really, no different then the UK.

A lot of what you see is like going to Orlando and thinking this is what all of America is like when.. no. It's not.. lol
 
I feel like the US is hard to like to summarize in one way. My uncle lives in the very Red state of Alabama, which has a lot of things i disagree with, but equally I can still be friendly with those people as at the end of the day, a lot of them as the poster said above, are not always fully pro anything. Some are Republican but don't really get into politics. There is moderate people out there, even in a hard red state like Alabama.

Obviously the North-East is its own beast being a blue wall. as is Hawaii and Alaska with their own party alignments. Then obviously you have the swing states of the mid-west, to the liberal California. I feel like areas can really influence as well, if your family is hard into politics, it would be very daunting to openly support the other party. I believe this is the case for both sides.

I think calling all Americans stupid is maybe a little harsh as a brit. I believe Trump is just an example of populism in politics. In the UK this has emerged as Reform and Brexit, promising to magic wand all the boats away, save the NHS, and do it all without raising taxes. My dad voted for brexit to "stop the boats"..
 
MackMan said:
I feel like the US is hard to like to summarize in one way. My uncle lives in the very Red state of Alabama, which has a lot of things i disagree with, but equally I can still be friendly with those people as at the end of the day, a lot of them as the poster said above, are not always fully pro anything. Some are Republican but don't really get into politics. There is moderate people out there, even in a hard red state like Alabama.

Obviously the North-East is its own beast being a blue wall. as is Hawaii and Alaska with their own party alignments. Then obviously you have the swing states of the mid-west, to the liberal California. I feel like areas can really influence as well, if your family is hard into politics, it would be very daunting to openly support the other party. I believe this is the case for both sides.

I think calling all Americans stupid is maybe a little harsh as a brit. I believe Trump is just an example of populism in politics. In the UK this has emerged as Reform and Brexit, promising to magic wand all the boats away, save the NHS, and do it all without raising taxes. My dad voted for brexit to "stop the boats"..
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Yeah my neighborhood is a fantastic example. 1-2 people of say 40 houses have anything political out. Most people don't advertise anything, which good. I don't like talking politics with ANYONE because I've lost friends over it. Well.. were they really my friends in that case? No.

My biggest issue is the obsession with Trump. He is obviously not a good person. Conservative politics are not a problem to me as I've had plenty of friends all over the spectrum.. but the obsession over the man who isn't truly conservative chaps my ass.. especially when good people hitch their ride to him.

What's worst is that Liberal politics hasn't done much better since Obama. There hasn't been anyone I've been hardcore for since Obama was in office.. but even then he failed to deliver on some policies I was hoping for due to.. political infighting and bull****tery.

All of that said.. plenty of people are good people, smart people in the USA. Unfortunately, what outsiders see are the worst of the worst. The loud minority. Reminds me of Brexit to be honest.
 
I have a lot of conservative friends through 4-H. Most of them seem perfectly nice. Until they start calling people f*gg*ts and saying that being transgender is a mental illness. At least in this political environment, I honestly find it hard to stay friends with these people.
 
So, folks… US election night is here! It’s been a very interesting campaign, but it all comes to a head tonight! So with the two being pretty much neck and neck in the polls, who do you think will win?

Personally, I’d say that while I wouldn’t be surprised by any outcome given how close the polls are, I think Kamala Harris will win. She often seems to have a slight edge in the polls, from my reading, and many pundits also seem to think that she has more potential routes to the White House than Donald Trump.

They’ve also now released an exit poll, and that suggested that “the state of democracy” and “abortion”, Harris’ strongest issues, were cited as having more voters viewing them as the most important issue than “the economy” and “immigration”, Trump’s strongest issues. Some are taking that to mean that Harris’ message was cutting through more with voters.
 
Looks like a toss up at the moment but Pennsylvania is looking like Kamala's and that is basically the most important state.

I do have a big part of me that thinks Trump can totally grab this, it seems as though his populist wa** has stole the heart of many Americans. I'm sure all the pets in Springfield Ohio voted for him lol
 
MackMan said:
Looks like a toss up at the moment but Pennsylvania is looking like Kamala's and that is basically the most important state.

I do have a big part of me that thinks Trump can totally grab this, it seems as though his populist wa** has stole the heart of many Americans. I'm sure all the pets in Springfield Ohio voted for him lol
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Ehhhh... I know timing matters but this looks like a Trump electoral win. Perhaps significantly. Possibly popular vote too. Not particularly close according to the New York Times either as it shifted from toss-up to lean Trump an hour or so ago. 75% Trump win according to its "needle".
 
Abortion is murder. Any way you look at it. I couldn't sleep if I voted for a president that is pro-choice. I'm sorry if you disagree, but my heart tells me those "fetuses" are humans that deserve a chance to live. Only 1% of aborted pregnancies are from r*pe. I'm prepared to be cancelled, labeled and insulted. But I don't care anymore. The truth needs to be said.
 
TheSDCoasterRaptor said:
Abortion is murder. Any way you look at it. I couldn't sleep if I voted for a president that is pro-choice. I'm sorry if you disagree, but my heart tells me those "fetuses" are humans that deserve a chance to live. Only 1% of aborted pregnancies are from r*pe. I'm prepared to be cancelled, labeled and insulted. But I don't care anymore. The truth needs to be said.
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I would argue that women (and their fetuses) dying due to lack of proper care that the anti-abortion laws block them from getting is more of a murder than what you're describing, though.

I feel proud to live in a country that women from other more conservative EU countries come to when their lives are in danger and their healthcare systems are unwilling to help them due to some backward beliefs that are basically just poorly veiled mysogyny.

Let's face it, you would vote for a guy over a chick regardless of what their poilicies were and which party they were representing.
 
Interestingly, it’s looking as though Trump is going to accomplish something that he didn’t even accomplish in 2016 and win the popular vote, with him currently leading over Harris by 4%.

Associated Press have now officially declared Pennsylvania as having been won by Trump, so I think we’ve now got an all-but-confirmed Trump victory…
 
My post aged like milk, I did have a Trump hunch though. The Americans are no different to British Folk when they were sold Brexit. Populist politicians tell you crap you wanna hear, I'm sure Trump is gonna fix the Gaza and Ukraine war in his first month as he claims.. I'm sure not taxing the rich will help your average Joe, and I'm sure tariffing everything will help trading..
 
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One thing I hope is that some of the more extreme things Trump has come out with are just talk, like in 2016. He strikes me as someone who often opens his mouth before engaging his brain and says things for the sake of saying them. In the 2016 campaign, he said a lot of extreme things that didn’t come true.

Remember that huge Mexican wall that Trump claimed he would build in 2016, as one of his flagship policies? That never came to fruition, and ended up just being talk.

Hopefully his second term is similar.

Despite what some will inevitably say, I also think Donald Trump winning is more nuanced than “America couldn’t cope with a black woman” or similar. The US has been having a cost of living crisis, and the economy was supposedly very good when Trump was in power, so many Americans trust him on that front and think he will be better at bringing living costs down. I also feel that Kamala Harris was perhaps too closely tied to the unpopular incumbent Joe Biden; had the Democrats picked someone less closely linked, they may have done better.

And to put it simply, I think the man clearly speaks to people in a way that other politicians don’t. For all of his flaws, I think Trump is very good at appearing to make the voiceless heard and “stand up for the common man” so to speak. Rightly or wrongly, there’s often an accusation that typical politicians are too “elitist” and don’t understand the struggles of everyday people, so Donald Trump taps into this and tries to come across relatable and empathetic to people’s struggles. I think that him aiming to listen to the everyday person, for lack of a better term (or at least acting like he is), is what has made him so successful.
 
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