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[Xpress]

I am opposed to it... Not because it's illegal... but because I've been through numerous medical classes that taught about it, the problems with it, side effects, and the likes. I've formulated my own opinions about it. Ontop of that, my sinuses cannot handle smoke of any form :lol: :roll:

 

[furie]

I am opposed to it... Not because it's illegal... but because I've been through numerous medical classes that taught about it, the problems with it, side effects, and the likes. I've formulated my own opinions about it.

See, I'm great believer that knowledge is power. The more you know, the better the decision you can make. However, the knowledge has to come from lots of sources (the most independent ones are the best).

Most people who smoke pot are either ignorant of the problems, or ignore them because they don't effect them. I've never had any issues with pot that any of the medical classes will teach you about. I could tell you about hundreds of other pot smokers I've known who are also fine. Most people will stop there, but I know of people who have reacted badly, people who will put pot before everything else, people who have their lives "skewed" (not ruined, but definitely altered) by it.

I would never encourage anyone to try it if they felt that it was wrong for them. However, I'd rather people didn't judge if they're not completely aware of all the facts and not able to understand it's not bad for everyone

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

^ My mom actually has really bad medical reactions to it (have had the ambulance called a few times) so I really have no idea why she still feels the need to use it. She has some medical problems and though it isn't prescribed, I guess it still helps in a way.

I hate any sort of medical classes or health classes that teach about drugs and sex. All they do is try to scare you with the bad things that can happen which leads to bias, etc. It's really ridiculous.

 

[Xpress]

^Except the classes I went through were on a professional level, not something you can get taught about in a regular school setting. Professional level classes don't teach things to scare you, they teach to inform.

Your mom is weird BTW.

(wouldn't this thread technically be a felony in the USA?? The talk of using an illegal controlled substance)

 

[reddude333]

^Wouldn't Facebook be a felony because people post photos of them drinking (or smoking weed for that matter) even though they are underage/it's illegal...oh wait...no it's not. Sure people could get in trouble for admitting the use of illegal substances here. But then again they could just deny it. I highly doubt this would be conclusive evidence. Usually the worst thing that happens to people is that their employer sees something posted and they might get fired etc.

 

[furie]

^Except the classes I went through were on a professional level, not something you can get taught about in a regular school setting. Professional level classes don't teach things to scare you, they teach to inform.

Just out of interest, did they teach about the medicinal benefits of dope? Did they teach about the reason people get high and the positive effects of that (for some people)?

Did they teach about the reaction to THC? About how it's THC that is the major cause of both mental and physical illnesses associated? How there's an inhibitor in the leaves that reduces the THC levels found in the buds/skunk that makes a huge difference to the way the body reacts both physically and the way the brain reacts? How the particular type of weed you're smoking makes a huge difference to everything?

It's not for everyone and it's certainly very bad for a lot of people (see Tay's mum), but there are also a lot of people who benefit from it both medicinally and recreationally that is not often covered and there's a huge science behind the benefits (more so than the simple science behind the harmful effects).

In essence, did they inform you why it's also a good thing to smoke pot?

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

^Except the classes I went through were on a professional level, not something you can get taught about in a regular school setting. Professional level classes don't teach things to scare you, they teach to inform.

Your mom is weird BTW.

Uhh, why would you ever want to randomly attend a "professional" drug seminar? Like Furie said, if they didn't teach about the benefits and good parts about drugs, I'd hardly say it was that professional. Probably another one of those things meant to stop you from doing it.

Also, you can't say someone is "weird" for smoking it when they have a crapload of medical problems. I just think she needs to smoke it either in a lesser amount or whatever, if she's gonna have crappy reactions.

 

[furie]

I've certainly used pot as a painkiller and it's considerably more effective than Codeine without the nasty side-effects codeine gives me.

I know people with MS too who use it to seriously help them. My sister shares a similar hereditary tremor to me, and again the pot helps to ease it and calm it (hers is considerably worse than mine).

However, it's not a prescribed medication and (due to the illegal nature of it) quality varies wildly (including the addition of toxic substances on occasion) - so therefore that as an argument for it is completely invalid :lol:

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

^ Well, we pretty well know the quality because.. Well, yah, not gonna say it online.

My mom's main problem is fibromyalgia and some other nerve problems so she just uses it for that, and yeah it's illegal so there's obviously not an excuse for using it, especially not a valid legal one . I was just stating to Xpress that even though some people know the adverse effects, they still use it anyway.

 

[furie]

^ Well, we pretty well know the quality because.. Well, yah, not gonna say it online.

It's still no guarantee of quality though. Not every tomato from the same plant is the same size, shape or even taste

Unless it's extracted and measured out pharmaceutically then you have no guarantee.

I'm also mildly allergic to tobacco, and if I smoke too much over a course of time I get ill as it builds up. Sometimes though it can just knock me sick immediately. Again, it's because you don't have a real way of measuring it out - it's all a bit haphazard.

My mom's main problem is fibromyalgia and some other nerve problems so she just uses it for that, and yeah it's illegal so there's obviously not an excuse for using it, especially not a valid legal one . I was just stating to Xpress that even though some people know the adverse effects, they still use it anyway.

Lots of prescription drugs also have bad side effects. I'd much rather use pot than codeine as codeine makes me feel really queasy and unable to do anything. It's actually like being stoned, only with sickness and random blinding headaches. While you get that some times with pot, it's guaranteed after four doses of codeine to do that to me. Again, it's irrelevant really, but pharmaceutical pot can be used very successfully to help out a number of health issues with much fewer side effects than currently prescribed drugs. Though we're touching on a very different subject now

 

[Xpress]

furie, to answer your question... If it is known about what marijuana does to you, then it was taught. The benefits of smoking it are significantly outweighed by the drawbacks, regardless of what your medical condition is. People with extreme cases of ADHD react the worst to it, becoming even more hyper and out of control (saw a video of one ripping his own willy off without fear or pain :shock: ).

 

[furie]

In that case, it was biased and unprofessional.

There are many cases of people with MS who benefit massively from smoking pot compared to the people on conventional MS drugs whose only consideration is euthanasia. You've only heard one extreme side and taken it as gospel.

It's NOT all good, but if it was so bad then the hundreds of millions of people who smoke it regularly would all be living with bloody groins in cardboard boxes unable to function as human beings. In reality, there's something like 20% of all working professionals who regularly smoke pot with the only ill effects being those caused by the carcinogens in the stuff (it's very bad for you in that sense, it really is). Around 50% of the population (both here and in the States) have at least tried it.

As I say, I don't really support it, saying that everyone should do it and that there'll be no ill effects. However, for those who don't see any ill effects, then there's no reason for them to stop using it (besides potentially being arrested, etc ). For those where there are absolute benefits, then it should be encouraged.

This is a balanced view and I've read a lot of scientific literature on the matter. Proper unbiased journals etc. not designed to scare you off using.

 

[kimahri]

(saw a video of one ripping his own willy off without fear or pain :shock: ).

You must be new to the internet.

And I highly doubt they were high on just weed to do that.

 

[reddude333]

Yeah, if anything it would probably just mellow the person out unless they were mixing drugs...and even still.

 

[furie]

It could be a drug mix that caused it, it could be that the THC content was too high, it could have been LSD in his milk that a friend put in as a joke. It could have been anything, but it's a single incident that doesn't hold any weight other than "shock value".

 

[kimahri]

Forgive me If I'm wrong, I'm not a drugs guru so I'm slightly out of the loop but isn't Salvia a completely different plant?

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Lmao. Salvia is sage, not even vaguely related to cannabis. I'm pretty sure it's NOT psychoactive.

furie, to answer your question... If it is known about what marijuana does to you, then it was taught. The benefits of smoking it are significantly outweighed by the drawbacks, regardless of what your medical condition is. People with extreme cases of ADHD react the worst to it, becoming even more hyper and out of control (saw a video of one ripping his own willy off without fear or pain :shock: ).

Massively ignorant.

Less about medical conditions, more about the sheer fact that everyone is different.

Marijuana can and does ruin lives, all the time, because people who really shouldn't use and abuse it.

Is it any different than issues regarding people becoming, I don't know... addicted to the internet? Well, possibly not. But I'd argue that altering your state of mind is far more damaging to those around you than obsessively having to use the internet for however many hours a day.

I know a guy who's really ruined his life with weed. And I'm fairly sure my brother never used to be as retarded as he is, I thoroughly suspect it's long time use of marijuana.

 

[furie]

Agreed Joey. It's worse because people who are most at risk are also the people who are most likely to misuse the drug. It's almost the same as any other addiction (I know people who have issues caused by computer addictions, which I think is simply tragic), people often go down the easiest route they can for the easiest and most mind-numbingly simple existence that they can. Something like dope is just much less effort than a computer game (or those people who let babies die because they play Farmville) where the real world isn't fogged by drugs.

Pot use hasn't had any long term effects in my case, but it certainly has short term effects in the days following use. I assume that the more you use, the more that time period extends? I don't really know about what the exact "beyond being used period" effects are, I don't think anyone does?

As you say Joey, everyone is different though. My brother in law is very fit and active. He cycles (he rides to places for weekends camping), does weights and works a full time job but smokes joints like others smoke fags. I've no idea how he manages it...

 

[nadroJ]

I have tried salvia lots of time. I don't understand why salvia is illegal in country. For me salvia is like a great medicine to relax and thinking. I am in favor of salvia. It should be legalized in our country.

So, do you like salvia or not? I didn't quite get whether you're for or against it?

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Salvia is sage... can someone explain wtf you're all talking about?

EDIT: Salvia divinorum. A psychoactive varient of sage. Now I know.