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WTF Merlin?

The Access card specifically says ONE essential companion - Merlin should just stick to that.

But it is hard to say no to disabled people. I run a theatre, and trying to find the balance between access customers and actually turning a profit can be difficult. I'd say the number of people applying for access nowadays is over 10 times what it was last decade.

It's admittedly been a while since I worked as a ride op but I was there from when it used to be a stamp booklet right up until the digital reservation system. My older brother is severely physically disabled. We have benefitted from using the pass and also dealt with the headache of splitting our group up 'fairly' for a day.

Fundamentally it is really difficult to enforce this. There is definitely an expectation of a group of 4 being okay on RAP at the parks. If an op/host tries to enforce it, it'll just be escalated until a Park manager comes along and makes an 'exception' and winks at the host whilst whispering their apologies for undermining you.

I had a rule of thumb which was pretty simple. If a guest was polite to me and asksed nicely if they could have a larger group without taking the piss (say, they're a group of 5 or 6), I'd say I'd see what I could do and probably let them on. If the ride was rammo, or I was really stressed and busy, I wouldn't make exceptions. If someone came to me moaning about how long they waited and the new system is a pile of dung, I'm not making exceptions.

I had a couple of really ugly interactions where a guest had used up their physical pass and insisted they didn't need to get a new one and held up the RAP queue for half an hour before a PM came down and let them on anyway, F-ing and blinding at me for putting their neurodivergent child through so much stress (they were on their ipad the whole time). Another where a woman tried to ride the attraction twice in a row without getting off because the RAP queue was too long for their liking. I didn't send it until they got off where they gave me a good bollocking before exclaiming I was ableist and had no idea about the stress disabilities cause for days out like this (again, got a disabled sibling so this one stung).

Fundamentally, even as the system becomes more automated, there is always a level of human moderation involved, right from diagnosis through to the people letting you into the queue.

IMO they should've started with one companion. This is standard in many parks across Europe and the rest of the world. Then they could've spent more time understanding what 'fair' limits might be on those with contextual, conditional difficulties. Call me naive but I'm quite sure that there's a fair few people who previously had access to passes who will now simply have to visit the parks on off peak days to have an equally enjoyable time.

A lot of the industry are looking at how Merlin deal with this as the problem of being accessible and inclusive grows within theme parks, so I hope they are proactive and use research and innovation to become trailblazers for creating a fair and comfortable environment for as many people as possible.
 
It's admittedly been a while since I worked as a ride op but I was there from when it used to be a stamp booklet right up until the digital reservation system. My older brother is severely physically disabled. We have benefitted from using the pass and also dealt with the headache of splitting our group up 'fairly' for a day.

Fundamentally it is really difficult to enforce this. There is definitely an expectation of a group of 4 being okay on RAP at the parks. If an op/host tries to enforce it, it'll just be escalated until a Park manager comes along and makes an 'exception' and winks at the host whilst whispering their apologies for undermining you.

I had a rule of thumb which was pretty simple. If a guest was polite to me and asksed nicely if they could have a larger group without taking the piss (say, they're a group of 5 or 6), I'd say I'd see what I could do and probably let them on. If the ride was rammo, or I was really stressed and busy, I wouldn't make exceptions. If someone came to me moaning about how long they waited and the new system is a pile of dung, I'm not making exceptions.

I had a couple of really ugly interactions where a guest had used up their physical pass and insisted they didn't need to get a new one and held up the RAP queue for half an hour before a PM came down and let them on anyway, F-ing and blinding at me for putting their neurodivergent child through so much stress (they were on their ipad the whole time). Another where a woman tried to ride the attraction twice in a row without getting off because the RAP queue was too long for their liking. I didn't send it until they got off where they gave me a good bollocking before exclaiming I was ableist and had no idea about the stress disabilities cause for days out like this (again, got a disabled sibling so this one stung).

Fundamentally, even as the system becomes more automated, there is always a level of human moderation involved, right from diagnosis through to the people letting you into the queue.

IMO they should've started with one companion. This is standard in many parks across Europe and the rest of the world. Then they could've spent more time understanding what 'fair' limits might be on those with contextual, conditional difficulties. Call me naive but I'm quite sure that there's a fair few people who previously had access to passes who will now simply have to visit the parks on off peak days to have an equally enjoyable time.

A lot of the industry are looking at how Merlin deal with this as the problem of being accessible and inclusive grows within theme parks, so I hope they are proactive and use research and innovation to become trailblazers for creating a fair and comfortable environment for as many people as possible.
When I worked there (up to, and including, 2003) it was literally a wristband we gave to all members of a family from guest services on Towers Street. I don't remember ever banding more than 3 or 4 families in a day!!! The bands gave almost instant access too, with no time out cards or anything like that. And yet still, it just wasn't abused back then, and there was no sense of entitlement from anybody. People saw it as a kind gesture.

One of my favourite stories, (I am 2000% positive that I've told it here before) was when the waterpark first opened. A young girl, was standing under the timed bucket pour thing, and when it went off, she slipped and trapped her ankle under a nearby poolside railing, breaking it. Thankfully this was before the days of litigation. The family were more than happy with bands for the park the next day, and me as a personal assistant to push the wheelchair around all day... One of my favourite working days ever, at any job.
 
IMO they should've started with one companion. This is standard in many parks across Europe and the rest of the world. Then they could've spent more time understanding what 'fair' limits might be on those with contextual, conditional difficulties. Call me naive but I'm quite sure that there's a fair few people who previously had access to passes who will now simply have to visit the parks on off peak days to have an equally enjoyable time.

A lot of the industry are looking at how Merlin deal with this as the problem of being accessible and inclusive grows within theme parks, so I hope they are proactive and use research and innovation to become trailblazers for creating a fair and comfortable environment for as many people as possible.

Your anecdote honestly is eye opening, and probably would be a recurring issue of Merlin started doing one carer? I have seen a lot of RAP users getting ugly with ride ops, I presume it's sadly quite a common thing. Words like ableist are thrown out when things don't go their way, it's horrid.

I guess if management were equally strict and supported the staff in enforcing a "1 carer policy" maybe that would help. Maybe threaten guests being aggressive with ejection from the park. But then we'd see a bunch of "Merlin are ableist and threw me out cos I'm disabled" stories in the Guardian.

One of my favourite stories, (I am 2000% positive that I've told it here before) was when the waterpark first opened. A young girl, was standing under the timed bucket pour thing, and when it went off, she slipped and trapped her ankle under a nearby poolside railing, breaking it. Thankfully this was before the days of litigation. The family were more than happy with bands for the park the next day, and me as a personal assistant to push the wheelchair around all day... One of my favourite working days ever, at any job.
This story might explain what's changed in the world- nowadays that might of been a £100k lawsuit for emotional damage. A story in the Daily Mail, with a photo of a family frowning.
 
Maybe threaten guests being aggressive with ejection from the park. But then we'd see a bunch of "Merlin are ableist and threw me out cos I'm disabled" stories in the Guardian.
Maybe. But what would that change effectively? People who wanted to visit the parks previously would still go. The world has gone so ****ing soft, it's worrysome.
 
Merlin have reversed the decision, but will continue to look at alternatives...

 
Just an FYI, Nimbus who distribute the Access cards operate for profit. They have no reason to decline any applications. In fact it is in their best interest to approve every single application so the threshold for evidence is incredibly low.
 
"We've heard loud and clear that the RAP system isn't working" so some kind of change is coming, they just need to figure out how to fix it with the minimum bad pressure I suppose.
 
I just don't, want to see another member of staff at guest services being shouted at and abused because they (the guest) failed to book RAP in advance. I've seen this more than once.

The real irony is that once they were claiming this was giving their child anxiety. The child was probably getting more anxious about the fact their mother was shouting and screaming at someone. Also, you know, being shouted and screamed at is pretty bad for anxiety.

There's some pretty poor behaviour going on in the parks and the staff don't deserve it.
 
Merlin have reversed the decision, but will continue to look at alternatives...

Pandering to the Merlin Mums, shocking but unsuprising given the news coverage. RAP needs major changes regardless of press coverage but alas
 
Your anecdote honestly is eye opening, and probably would be a recurring issue of Merlin started doing one carer? I have seen a lot of RAP users getting ugly with ride ops, I presume it's sadly quite a common thing. Words like ableist are thrown out when things don't go their way, it's horrid.
You've reminded me of a big reason why my stint at Towers was as short as it was - and for all the reasons you mention, the more senior rides/ guest relations management will always side with the guest.

Maybe I'm thin-skinned, but it only took one arsehole to ruin a day, and you're simply not made enough to deal with it.

It's also worth pointing out that, certainly during my time, a good proportion of the team were autistic/ADHD to some degree, so it's not always easy to sympathise.

I've been trying to avoid reading about this too much.
 
Just an FYI, Nimbus who distribute the Access cards operate for profit.
No they don't. It may well be in their interests to approve all applications but they're a not-for-profit company and most of their income is from consultancy and tie-ins.
 
Pandering to the Merlin Mums, shocking but unsuprising given the news coverage. RAP needs major changes regardless of press coverage but alas
I mean, to be fair, it "shouldn't" bother us, as it doesn't really affect us. There's still the same number of people in front of us, RAP queue or normal...

But when you know people, including members of these forums, who absolutely cannot physically stand for long periods, so often couldn't use the RAP queue and so haven't been able to enjoy parks in recent years, then it's hard not to be dissapointed for them. Hopefully the virtual queueing thing works well and enables them to enjoy parks again.

I don't know why, in this day and age, with the technology we have, they can't just introduce free virtual queueing for everybody. They could still have a fast pass feature built in that shortens your wait, so wouldn't lose money there. We'd all spend more money at shops, restaurants, arcades and midway games if we weren't stuck in queues for 90% of the day too. Win win for everybody and RAP problem solved too.
 
I don't know why, in this day and age, with the technology we have, they can't just introduce free virtual queueing for everybody. They could still have a fast pass feature built in that shortens your wait, so wouldn't lose money there. We'd all spend more money at shops, restaurants, arcades and midway games if we weren't stuck in queues for 90% of the day too. Win win for everybody and RAP problem solved too.

The tech isn't really the issue though. Thorpe trialled a virtual queueing system for all major coasters over a decade ago. There were issues, but the tech worked pretty smoothly. Efteling have trialled it on a couple of rides too in recent years.

One of the issues is that very few parks have enough to do outside rides. If, on a given day, you're spending 20mins per ride in a queue, what will your average guest do in those 20 minutes? They're not going to consistently spend money on food, games, souvenirs, etc. They're not - in Efteling's case - going to trek all the way over to Fairytale Forest if they need to then go to Joris on the other side of the park.

For free virtual queues for everyone to work, you need consistent small pockets of entertainment all across the park. And those pockets of entertainment need to have variety so they don't get repetitive, but be easy to manage and perform, work for all different crowd types, etc.

You also need to rethink the entire pathway structure of parks. People spend time in queues, relieving pressure off pathways. Kick 90% of people out of queues and pathways will buckle under pressure. It requires rethinks to security, cleaning, etc

Honestly, the best chance I think we'll ever see of a real free virtual queue park will be one of the new parks in Saudi. Built ground up with it in mind. I don't see it ever happening, but it's the only circumstance I see it happening in.

On a more relevant note, having free virtual queues for everyone will still affect neurodivergent people who struggle with crowds. The thousands of people who are put into queues will now be around the park. Those who are using RAP because they can't manage being in an enclosed space with loads of people would make the point that all pathways are constantly busy all the time, thus needing special considerations.
Yes, there are busy days that are like this anyway. But fewer and further between.
(NB: I'm not saying it's not a good solution on an idealistic world, just pointing out it isn’t a total solution)
 
No they don't. It may well be in their interests to approve all applications but they're a not-for-profit company and most of their income is from consultancy and tie-ins.
That's simply not true, they generate a great deal of profit and as a social enterprise donate it to their sister charity. They have donated £340,000 in profit, and their profit generation is one of the metrics they measure their success on. Interview with Director
 
I think this highlights the issues with broad categorisation of people's struggles. "Difficulty with crowds" covers so many possibilities that it's no wonder so many people 'qualify'; there's a huge difference between someone with anxiety that doesn't like being stuck in the middle of large groups, and someone with high support needs that can't stand still or behave "appropriately" in queues for long periods, but may not qualify for another category on the card (I don't have much experience with the nimbus system, so I'm not totally au fait with their categories).

Some people do need to take a little more responsibility for their condition, and for their own enjoyment, rather than expecting accommodations. As an example, my husband is autistic, he has a lot of sensory issues and really struggles in loud, confined spaces. So, he packs earplugs and his noise cancelling headphones and listens to music while queuing to distract himself. It's not perfect, Voltron's queue between lockers and platform was a tense wait in case the Tesla coils started up 😂 but it allows him to enjoy the day without getting overwhelmed as quickly.

To echo everybody else, there's no easy answer that's going to make everybody happy, but overall they do need to tighten up the system and who can benefit. It sounds like getting managers to actually follow the rules, and back their staff up, is a good first step. When I was manager in retail, I always backed my staff up when they made a decision (unless it was against the rules), and coached afterwards if it wasn't the best decision.
 
The tech isn't really the issue though. Thorpe trialled a virtual queueing system for all major coasters over a decade ago. There were issues, but the tech worked pretty smoothly. Efteling have trialled it on a couple of rides too in recent years.

One of the issues is that very few parks have enough to do outside rides. If, on a given day, you're spending 20mins per ride in a queue, what will your average guest do in those 20 minutes? They're not going to consistently spend money on food, games, souvenirs, etc. They're not - in Efteling's case - going to trek all the way over to Fairytale Forest if they need to then go to Joris on the other side of the park.

For free virtual queues for everyone to work, you need consistent small pockets of entertainment all across the park. And those pockets of entertainment need to have variety so they don't get repetitive, but be easy to manage and perform, work for all different crowd types, etc.

You also need to rethink the entire pathway structure of parks. People spend time in queues, relieving pressure off pathways. Kick 90% of people out of queues and pathways will buckle under pressure. It requires rethinks to security, cleaning, etc

Honestly, the best chance I think we'll ever see of a real free virtual queue park will be one of the new parks in Saudi. Built ground up with it in mind. I don't see it ever happening, but it's the only circumstance I see it happening in.

On a more relevant note, having free virtual queues for everyone will still affect neurodivergent people who struggle with crowds. The thousands of people who are put into queues will now be around the park. Those who are using RAP because they can't manage being in an enclosed space with loads of people would make the point that all pathways are constantly busy all the time, thus needing special considerations.
Yes, there are busy days that are like this anyway. But fewer and further between.
(NB: I'm not saying it's not a good solution on an idealistic world, just pointing out it isn’t a total solution)
Some good points, but that last one is true on busy days now.... Doesn't stop them going. Fireworks nights are always the hardest to get RAP passes for, they fly out, even I struggle with the crowds at times on the Saturday and Sunday fireworks nights, makes Glastonbury look like a country park... The only respite from the crowds would be the same as now, places like the gardens etc. Nor does it stop them going to parks like Disney, which have no respite.

The whole entertainment thing is very true though, it would require a complete change of thinking, a return back to plenty of varied entertainment. You'd need more walkthrough attractions like Sea Life too, as well as more capacity in places like casual catering and arcades. That being said, whilst you're right, people won't just spend money all day, I do think it would significantly increase average guest spend overall, so it'd be in their interest to get right and add entertainment. It could also increase guest satisfaction and thus return custom.

Another thing that would help with virtual queueing is to significantly increase the number of small but high capacity flat rides. They would also need to increase the number of high capacity attractions with very long experience times. Things like 4D cinemas, stunt shows, longer boat rides, etc etc. Playgrounds too... My kids are grown up now, so maybe I don't notice them, but I swear there's not as many playgrounds in parks these days, they used to be great places to let kids burn off energy without having to queue.

The paths thing is a good point too. I think Alton Towers is better placed there, with much wider paths and plenty of large open spaces (Which could house entertainment and ease the pressure on paths.) And, let's be honest, there's been plenty of times in the last few seasons where literally 75% of rides were down and their queues closed, Alton Towers can swallow those crowds on normal days. Although fireworks night, whilst unbearable, is a good example of why it would work at Towers. The park is at maximum safe capacity, and yet they manage to fit almost that entire capacity onto just half of the lawns and Towers Street alone for an hour. If that crowd was more spread out at Towers, even without the queues, it would be fine. Places like Thorpe would really struggle though, they don't even stand to gain much land by reducing the space taken up by queueing areas, as their queues are all relatively compact.

With all of this in mind, I don't know how it would work at places like Thorpe at all, Thorpe feels crowded on an average day. But I do think, with the right changes, it would work much more easily at somewhere like Alton Towers.

Ultimately you're right though, not going to happen, not anywhere under Merlin, as it'd require too much investment on infrastructure and entertainment, and probably never under anybody at the smaller parks. :(

Maybe the best we can hope for is like they trialled on (2004ish?) Air... Virtual queues on just the top rides.
 
One of the issues is that very few parks have enough to do outside rides. If, on a given day, you're spending 20mins per ride in a queue, what will your average guest do in those 20 minutes? They're not going to consistently spend money on food, games, souvenirs, etc. They're not - in Efteling's case - going to trek all the way over to Fairytale Forest if they need to then go to Joris on the other side of the park.

For free virtual queues for everyone to work, you need consistent small pockets of entertainment all across the park. And those pockets of entertainment need to have variety so they don't get repetitive, but be easy to manage and perform, work for all different crowd types, etc.

Fully agree. Virtual Queues work at places like Disney Parks because they have many high capacity rides and shows running all day. The parks are also mostly flat so walking to the other side of the park to do something else isn't a big issue. They also have transport rides you can go on to kill time/get to the other side of the park.

Meanwhile places like Towers have very little you can do between virtual queues. Curse at Alton Manor and Hex I guess would be the only 2 real things like that?

If I had to virtual queue for every ride at Towers i'd hate it.
 
£15 for parking. £15.

They don't want my custom this year, do they...?


Isnt that a fairly standard price?
Efteling €15
Europa €10
Port Aventura €15
Disneyland Paris €30
Parc Asterix €20
Plopsaland €15

I know that public transport to the park isn't great. But singling out Alton when it pretty much matches the industry standard parking fee (plus it's £13 when booked in advance and free if you do mini golf,have an annual pass or staying in the hotels) is a little unfair.
 
Isnt that a fairly standard price?
Efteling €15
Europa €10
Port Aventura €15
Disneyland Paris €30
Parc Asterix €20
Plopsaland €15

I know that public transport to the park isn't great. But singling out Alton when it pretty much matches the industry standard parking fee (plus it's £13 when booked in advance and free if you do mini golf,have an annual pass or staying in the hotels) is a little unfair.
All of those parks I'd pay that parking happily however Towers is £15 for joke in comparison to those parks
 
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