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Cedar Point | Steel Vengeance | RMC I-Box (Mean Streak Conversion)

llCoasterN3rdll said:
I think that the front looks menacing. Also why are people still saying this will still have horrible pacing even after watching the new video?
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I honestly have no idea. I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion, but if I lived in Ohio, I would be legitimately unable to wait until 5th May to ride this coaster!
 
I do live in Ohio and I can wait. :p Of course, I've lived here my whole life and have numerous friends, including sluts on this site, going to opening day, so who am I to judge. :D

I'll get on it in May or June sometime. No need to rush.
 
Matt N said:
I honestly have no idea. I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion, but if I lived in Ohio, I would be legitimately unable to wait until 5th May to ride this coaster!
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It is really bad on the Instagram community. People are saying its going very slow, its gonna be the worst rmc, etc. But then again, their home parks are the ones who got screwed over with the world's tallest super loop lol. It's mainly all the people who don't want to admit they were wrong about it being horribly paced. I don't know what they're smoking, but this thing is moving considering how cold it was when it was taken.
 
llCoasterN3rdll said:
It is really bad on the Instagram community. People are saying its going very slow, its gonna be the worst rmc, etc. But then again, their home parks are the ones who got screwed over with the world's tallest super loop lol. It's mainly all the people who don't want to admit they were wrong about it being horribly paced. I don't know what they're smoking, but this thing is moving considering how cold it was when it was taken.
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To be honest, pacing is never the same actually on-ride in comparison to what it looks like, both slower and faster. Wicked Cyclone and Storm Chaser are both great examples of both sides as WC doesn't LOOK to slow down but when youre on it, it definitely does not have the pacing at the end of the ride. Storm Chaser, on the other hand, looks to seemingly die in those last bunny hops but its moving.
 
One thing RMCs really seem to suffer with, and what I'm most nervous about happening with Steel Vengeance, is losing speed to the point of being sluggish. They don't seem to be able to hold speed very well. The RMCs that do hit the brakes fast are either very short or finish downhill. The longer coasters (of which this will be the longest) all seem to fizzle out at the end.

It's the end of this ride that could let it down.

Wait, I've said this before...
http://coasterforce.com/forums/thre...-streak-conversion.40073/page-77#post-1014585
Hixee said:
There's no doubt that the first half of this coaster is going to be insane. What's going to make or break it, however, is whether the second half makes it feel like it's dragging. Granted it will be underneath the structure, which should help up the excitement, but if it ends up feeling like Iron Rattler's middle portion at the end, then it could taint the overall ride experience.
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Hixee said:
One thing RMCs really seem to suffer with, and what I'm most nervous about happening with Steel Vengeance, is losing speed to the point of being sluggish. They don't seem to be able to hold speed very well. The RMCs that do hit the brakes fast are either very short or finish downhill. The longer coasters (of which this will be the longest) all seem to fizzle out at the end.

It's the end of this ride that could let it down.

Wait, I've said this before...
http://coasterforce.com/forums/thre...-streak-conversion.40073/page-77#post-1014585
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true but based off of the video released and considering that most of the second half is within the structure, I don't think pacing will be a problem with this ride. Plus we have to look at the newer RMCs with the new wheel assembly rmc is using. They're breaking in a lot quicker than the older ones. And -2Gs is insane. The ride is still gonna be moving if its gonna hit -2Gs in that second half. Its only gonna get faster as well
 
llCoasterN3rdll said:
true but based off of the video released and considering that most of the second half is within the structure, I don't think pacing will be a problem with this ride. Plus we have to look at the newer RMCs with the new wheel assembly rmc is using. They're breaking in a lot quicker than the older ones. And -2Gs is insane. The ride is still gonna be moving if its gonna hit -2Gs in that second half. Its only gonna get faster as well
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To be honest, videos aren't reality of the forces you will actually feel. Yes the newer ones tend to be paced much better however none of the newer ones have been this big. When youre shorter, pacing typically isnt as large of a problem. However, the bigger you are, you will feel those problems much more dramatically. Both Wicked Cyclone and Wildfire, counting rides from recent years who are bigger AND longer, tend to slag at the end. While both are phenomenal (hell, Wildfire is in my Top 10), it is still a knock. The only other COMPAREABLE coaster is Texas Giant, which DIES LIKE A SLUT, in its latter half.
 
Eyes can deceive. Maverick does NOT look like the physical beast it is. I remember being left speechless after I rode it for the first time. How could such a tiny ride that looked so slow give such a beating? I think the relative size of the first lap structure is making the 3rd lap look slow.

also. Maybe its slow. We'll have to ride it to find out.
 
Snoo said:
To be honest, videos aren't reality of the forces you will actually feel. Yes the newer ones tend to be paced much better however none of the newer ones have been this big. When youre shorter, pacing typically isnt as large of a problem. However, the bigger you are, you will feel those problems much more dramatically. Both Wicked Cyclone and Wildfire, counting rides from recent years who are bigger AND longer, tend to slag at the end. While both are phenomenal (hell, Wildfire is in my Top 10), it is still a knock. The only other COMPAREABLE coaster is Texas Giant, which DIES LIKE A SLUT, in its latter half.
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True. But considering how good the other RMCs are, I think this will be too good that no one will notice it slowing down. Also apparently the double wheels help rides carry their speed better. Even then this is really gonna be something special. I've been keeping track of this coaster for nearly 2 years and I am very happy with how it turned out. Picture this thing with a full train, after a full day of running and hot humid weather. Plus I've never heard anything bad about RMC other than the restraints but I heard that it only affects "bigger people"
 
llCoasterN3rdll said:
True. But considering how good the other RMCs are, I think this will be too good that no one will notice it slowing down. Also apparently the double wheels help rides carry their speed better. Even then this is really gonna be something special. I've been keeping track of this coaster for nearly 2 years and I am very happy with how it turned out. Picture this thing with a full train, after a full day of running and hot humid weather. Plus I've never heard anything bad about RMC other than the restraints but I heard that it only affects "bigger people"
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I have to agree with Snoo. NTG and IR and even WC had noticeable slow down at the end towards on hot summer days with full trains. The truth is we just won't know until we ride it. Signs look good but look can be deceiving.
 
Youngster Joey said:
I have to agree with Snoo. NTG and IR and even WC had noticeable slow down at the end towards on hot summer days with full trains. The truth is we just won't know until we ride it. Signs look good but look can be deceiving.
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No I agree with you but we also have to keep in mind that WC doesn't run the best wheels (it would run a lot better if it had the newer wheels), NTG was RMC's first coaster so they wanted to be safe, and IR does have that section on top of the quarry wall. But other than that I see where you're coming from. I wish the Instagram community was more civilized about this XD. A lot of people were quick to point out that it is running super slow without even considering the fact it is Ohio in March/April and its testing
 
llCoasterN3rdll said:
No I agree with you but we also have to keep in mind that WC doesn't run the best wheels (it would run a lot better if it had the newer wheels), NTG was RMC's first coaster so they wanted to be safe, and IR does have that section on top of the quarry wall. But other than that I see where you're coming from. I wish the Instagram community was more civilized about this XD. A lot of people were quick to point out that it is running super slow without even considering the fact it is Ohio in March/April and its testing
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Don't forget about the ride design as well. WC is smaller and slower, causing pacing issues in the latter half as mentioned. Youre correct with NTG but as TG was a reverse clone of Mean Streak, it is VERY tough not to make that comparison. Also, if you look at their bigger creations as of late, such as Wildfire which is 183ft tall, it still had pacing issues in the latter half. The ride is HAULING and is amazing in the beginning but many share my thoughts that they could have ended it earlier and made it even better.

That being said, Wildfire is my number 5. So, as easy as it is to be bouncing off the walls excited, I can still see where the shortfalls can come, especially given the number of RMC's I've been on.
 
Snoo said:
Youre correct with NTG but as TG was a reverse clone of Mean Streak, it is VERY tough not to make that comparison.
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Wait, I think i'm obviously missing something, but I swear Texas Giant and Mean Streak had very different layouts?
 
Mean Streak:
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Texas Giant:
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There were some minor differences, but overall, Mean Streak was the 'Bigger Brother' of Texas Giant.
 
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