Election 2010!
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ciallkennett
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I'm running a series of polls on my blog over the next few weeks. Every Thursday until the day of the General Election, I will be running the same poll.
The question, simple "Who do you want to win The Election?"
I'll compare and contrast how the views change over the weeks. Of course, I'll need you to help and vote. It literally takes less than 5 seconds, and I'd appreciate the input
VOTE NOW!
The question, simple "Who do you want to win The Election?"
I'll compare and contrast how the views change over the weeks. Of course, I'll need you to help and vote. It literally takes less than 5 seconds, and I'd appreciate the input
VOTE NOW!
Mark
Strata Poster
nadroJ said:
Therein lies the problem and that is how parties like the BNP gain power, like with the whole European election last year... People were all yay BNP because of a simple tag line they slapped on a poster...
Im not having a go or anything Jordan but I strongly believe that the elections and manifestos are important and not something that should be a quick gloss read... Slayed was even kind enough to completely break it down into bite size chucks (but still covering all pollicies etc) if you don't wanna do the whole manifesto read through
nadroJ
CF Legend
I wouldn't call it a gloss read but I read each party's main policies and figured if a party has put something like more post-grad jobs at the top of their list then it's obviously something to party cares a lot about and thus are more likely to get my vote. Like I said, the thing I'm most concerned with at this moment in my life is whether or not I'm going to be employable after I finish my degree and so I am voting accordingly.
However, I do really appreciate topics like this because I'm the first one to admit politics are definitely NOT my strong-point. It's really helpful to see everyone put forward their very valid points of view about everything, I find it's helping me not only decide who to vote for but also helping me understand what each party are about more clearly.
However, I do really appreciate topics like this because I'm the first one to admit politics are definitely NOT my strong-point. It's really helpful to see everyone put forward their very valid points of view about everything, I find it's helping me not only decide who to vote for but also helping me understand what each party are about more clearly.
Mark
Strata Poster
My initial thoughts from tonights debate is that Clegg has further supported his lead and gained yet more public support. Brown has actually regained some support and has had a bloody good night. Cameron however, has completely faltered again.
We shall see when the "statistics" come in...
We shall see when the "statistics" come in...
ciallkennett
Strata Poster
All pressure was on Nick Clegg to do what he did last week and be as strong.
In my eyes, it seemed the pressure got to him. In the first question about Europe, he stuttered, got his words in a muddle, and quite frankly had few strong points on what the Lib Dems would do about Europe should they get into power.
Labour on the other hand were very strong with clear outline on what Europe currently does for us and why we should stay in Europe. The Conservatives were also clear, but were not so strong.
It seems that David Cameron has taken a leaf from Nick Clegg's book as he kept glaring down the camera, talking directly to the questioners. I found this quite distracting with his large, shiny face, and really didn't make me feel secure in his words.
Labour continued to be strong, and Nick gained his confidence back quite slowly. David Cameron seemed to have some good ideas about other issues related to the environment, one area I feel the Conservatives are strong in.
I like the fact that whenever Brown and Cameron drifted away from the question, he put the question back into what he said. I couldn't help but feel he did this as he was worried about his policies would be exposed and criticised, and that he felt comfortable talking only about the issues.
As you'd expect, with the Tories, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's something that angers me about the Tories, and David Cameron didn't really seem to say otherwise.
If I'm honest, I'm glad Nick Clegg didn't do as good as last time. People need to see that just because he can speak to the people, doesn't mean he can run a country. David Cameron was rather annoying today. His stares, his policies...they infuriate me.
I believe that Labour were the strongest, not by far, but certainly seemed to be the most level headed. I doubt many would agree with me (I may be surprised), but Brown seemed to give me confidence in the future. I can't explain how, I don't know why, but he seems to know what eh is going.
The Lib Dems were on par with the Tories, which I'm slightly disappointed by. They weren't lagging far behind Labour, but neither could reassure me that my life, or indeed the life of others, would be any better off under them.
Even I'm shocked at saying this...
In my eyes, it seemed the pressure got to him. In the first question about Europe, he stuttered, got his words in a muddle, and quite frankly had few strong points on what the Lib Dems would do about Europe should they get into power.
Labour on the other hand were very strong with clear outline on what Europe currently does for us and why we should stay in Europe. The Conservatives were also clear, but were not so strong.
It seems that David Cameron has taken a leaf from Nick Clegg's book as he kept glaring down the camera, talking directly to the questioners. I found this quite distracting with his large, shiny face, and really didn't make me feel secure in his words.
Labour continued to be strong, and Nick gained his confidence back quite slowly. David Cameron seemed to have some good ideas about other issues related to the environment, one area I feel the Conservatives are strong in.
I like the fact that whenever Brown and Cameron drifted away from the question, he put the question back into what he said. I couldn't help but feel he did this as he was worried about his policies would be exposed and criticised, and that he felt comfortable talking only about the issues.
As you'd expect, with the Tories, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's something that angers me about the Tories, and David Cameron didn't really seem to say otherwise.
If I'm honest, I'm glad Nick Clegg didn't do as good as last time. People need to see that just because he can speak to the people, doesn't mean he can run a country. David Cameron was rather annoying today. His stares, his policies...they infuriate me.
I believe that Labour were the strongest, not by far, but certainly seemed to be the most level headed. I doubt many would agree with me (I may be surprised), but Brown seemed to give me confidence in the future. I can't explain how, I don't know why, but he seems to know what eh is going.
The Lib Dems were on par with the Tories, which I'm slightly disappointed by. They weren't lagging far behind Labour, but neither could reassure me that my life, or indeed the life of others, would be any better off under them.
Even I'm shocked at saying this...
Mark
Strata Poster
Slayed
Hyper Poster
I think Brown fought back massively this week, Clegg was still extremely good and Cameron was AWFUL!
I DO NOT want that man to be my Prime Minister! He's rubbish! He can't even handle a TV debate without faltering, he looked completely lost for large chunks of it & got bitch-slapped by Brown on eye-tests! He is simply NOT PM quality, they've backed the wrong horse.
It's no real surprise that Brown can in fact appear strong, he's just been PM after all. But I'm really surprised at how well Clegg is able to handle this - he actually looks PM material, it's a revelation really (for example when Brown started shouting "Get real! Get real!" at him, Clegg handled it with aplomb).
On the issues, I thought Brown won on Defence where Clegg struggled, Clegg won on the Pope (weirdly) and amazingly Clegg won on Immigration - he pwned Brown with his "You don't know where they live!" line, and Cameron with "How big is this cap?". Good stuff.
So for me, a tie between Brown and Clegg - Cameron nowhere.
I must say, Sky were SHOCKINGLY bad at hosting this - Adam Boulton couldn't chair a party in DFS! And calling Cameron the immediate winner was pure Rupert Murdoch. Can't wait for the BBC to do it properly next week.
These debates are a great success at energising the electorate though, should have started them years ago.
I DO NOT want that man to be my Prime Minister! He's rubbish! He can't even handle a TV debate without faltering, he looked completely lost for large chunks of it & got bitch-slapped by Brown on eye-tests! He is simply NOT PM quality, they've backed the wrong horse.
It's no real surprise that Brown can in fact appear strong, he's just been PM after all. But I'm really surprised at how well Clegg is able to handle this - he actually looks PM material, it's a revelation really (for example when Brown started shouting "Get real! Get real!" at him, Clegg handled it with aplomb).
On the issues, I thought Brown won on Defence where Clegg struggled, Clegg won on the Pope (weirdly) and amazingly Clegg won on Immigration - he pwned Brown with his "You don't know where they live!" line, and Cameron with "How big is this cap?". Good stuff.
So for me, a tie between Brown and Clegg - Cameron nowhere.
I must say, Sky were SHOCKINGLY bad at hosting this - Adam Boulton couldn't chair a party in DFS! And calling Cameron the immediate winner was pure Rupert Murdoch. Can't wait for the BBC to do it properly next week.
These debates are a great success at energising the electorate though, should have started them years ago.
nadroJ said:
Not necessarily. Think of how many people are in university education right now. Think of how many potential votes that is. A quick "we will increase jobs for graduates" is an easy vote grabber. If I was at uni now, I'd actually be a bit offended at how stupid they must think students are.
"Creating jobs" is a goal of every/any political party. None of them want to see people out of work as it doesn't make any sense for the economy. The Conservatives have just taken something that's a basic given and tried to make it sound like they're the only people considering it. It's a desperate attempt to grab the student vote, nothing more.
Smithy
Strata Poster
I think the bigger slap in the face is WE WILL ABOLISH TUITION FEES.
Well that's very nice Nick and Vince, and in a time where you're looking to make billions of savings, how do you suggest funding that?
Oh right, you're going to end up doubling the tax on EVERYTHING.
Brown dominated, Clegg did well, Cameron was absolutely awful.
Sky being awfully biased, all the reports afterwards were hounding Labour and being all pally with any Conservative supporters they could find, and they continued to focus on the poll which had Cameron winning over the several which didn't.
Well that's very nice Nick and Vince, and in a time where you're looking to make billions of savings, how do you suggest funding that?
Oh right, you're going to end up doubling the tax on EVERYTHING.
Brown dominated, Clegg did well, Cameron was absolutely awful.
Sky being awfully biased, all the reports afterwards were hounding Labour and being all pally with any Conservative supporters they could find, and they continued to focus on the poll which had Cameron winning over the several which didn't.
Slayed
Hyper Poster
You've answered your own question there - savings!Smithy said:
BUT since the Lib Dems are the ONLY party to actually publish full costings in their manifesto, allow me to show you:-
Spending Proposals
£m (in predicted nominal terms)
............................................................2010–11.....2011–12.....2012–13.....2013–14.....2014–15
Spending commitments
Jobs and infrastructure package including:
a Eco cash-back scheme..................................................335.....0.....0.....0.....0
b Investing in wind energy and other renewables.............420.....0.....0.....0.....0
c Insulating public buildings............................................400.....0.....0.....0.....0
d Bringing empty homes back into use.............................1,165.....0.....0.....0.....0
e Tackling youth unemployment......................................660.....95.....0.....0.....0
f Bus scrappage/replacement scheme..............................140.....0.....0.....0.....0
Cut class sizes – introducing a pupil premium...............0.....2,500.....2,540.....2,590.....2,640
Scrapping tuition fees...............................................3.....600.....685.....740.....1,570.....1,765
Restore the pension earnings link.................................0.....0.....320..........330
Recruit 3,000 more police officers................................5.....50.....95.....185
Pay rise and better homes for our troops.......................0.....420.....425.....430.....440
Total spending......................................................3,730.....3,745.....4,115..... 5,050.....5,360
Savings Proposals
£m (in predicted nominal terms)
............................................................2010–11.....2011–12.....2012–13.....2013–14.....2014–15
Helping people fairly
Reform tax credits.....................................................640.....1,305.....1,300.....1,310.....1,315
Reform winter fuel payments...................................300.....145.....60.....-15.....-70
Scale back the Homebuy programme.........................250.....255.....260.....265.....270
Refocus Train to Gain...............................................325.....335.....340.....345.....350
End government contributions to the Child Trust Fund........395.....545.....555.....565.....580
Introduce a levy on bank profits..............................2,005.....2,205.....2,430.....2,670.....2,940
Cut Ministry of Defence administration and top brass........0.....205.....420.....440.....460
Cut the economic costs of mental health problems
through better treatment.................................................0.....425.....500.....575.....605
A cash limit on public sector pay rises of £400
for 2 years.....................................................................0.....1,705.....3,460.....3,525.....3,600
Decentralising government
Abolish the Government Offices for the Regions..............0.....90.....90.....90.....95
Reform Regional Development Agencies..........................0.....600.....610.....620.....635
Cut bureaucracy of local government inspections............0.....860.....870.....890.....905
End top-down education initiatives..................................0.....335.....340.....350.....355
Creating a freer society
Scrap ID cards.........................................................50.....80.....110.....155.....155
Scrap biometric passports.......................................220.....405.....425.....400.....380
Scrap Intercept Modernisation Programme..............0.....200.....200.....200.....200
Abolish ContactPoint.................................................0.....45.....45.....50.....50
Maintain the current school leaving age....................0.....0.....35.....35.....70
Creating a more cost-effective government
Commercialise UK Trade and Investment.......................0.....135.....135.....140.....140
Scrap Eurofighter tranche 3B...........................................0.....0.....510.....510.....510
Cut education quangos and administration.....................0.....415.....410.....420.....430
Prison reform..................................................................0.....795.....735.....675.....845
Scrap civil service bonuses............................................0.....155.....155.....160.....160
Cut use of consultants in the public sector......................0.....180.....180.....185.....190
Cut quangos across government.....................................0.....225.....225.....230.....235
Cut the costs of politics.................................................0.....610.....620.....635.....645
Net increase in devolved administration budgets
The Scottish Parliament...........................................240.....-120.....-120.....-30.....-25
The National Assembly for Wales.............................140.....-15.....-15.....30.....40
The Northern Ireland Assembly................................80.....-50.....-45.....-15.....-15
Total savings.........................................................3,730.....12,430.....15,205.....15,435.....16,050
Balance in public sector spending........................0.....-8,680.....-11,090.....-10,385.....-10,685
Nope, that's the ConservativesSmithy said:
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Nemesis Inferno
Strata Poster
^That would look really good in an Excel sheet :lol:
I tought the coverage on Sky last not was very poor, they kept moving off the person who was talking and showing the people who were not.
Theirs was the only poll that showed Cameron won lol.
20 people I work with not one will vote Conservative, that to me is real stats. But then again people can say they wont and still do.
On May 6th/7th we will know
Thank's Slayed for all your posts on this, you have made the hard stuff easy to follow.
Theirs was the only poll that showed Cameron won lol.
20 people I work with not one will vote Conservative, that to me is real stats. But then again people can say they wont and still do.
On May 6th/7th we will know
Thank's Slayed for all your posts on this, you have made the hard stuff easy to follow.
Things of note:
1. Nick Clegg needs a better tailor imo. His suits seem quite ill-fitting. I thought those who went to public schools would know how to dress properly, especially when they come from a rich banking family. Sort out those cluffs, Clegg.
2. The women in the office have decided that Nick Clegg is attractive. One of the older ones even went as far to say that her fantasy political threesome would be with him and Obama. Oh dear!
3. The BNP launches it's (proper) manifesto today, but Raybould lookalike Griffin says that he won't reveal when and where due to security.
4. I'm bored of this whole election now and am hoping for some other major news story to crop up.
1. Nick Clegg needs a better tailor imo. His suits seem quite ill-fitting. I thought those who went to public schools would know how to dress properly, especially when they come from a rich banking family. Sort out those cluffs, Clegg.
2. The women in the office have decided that Nick Clegg is attractive. One of the older ones even went as far to say that her fantasy political threesome would be with him and Obama. Oh dear!
3. The BNP launches it's (proper) manifesto today, but Raybould lookalike Griffin says that he won't reveal when and where due to security.
4. I'm bored of this whole election now and am hoping for some other major news story to crop up.