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Slight direction change but Marc made me think of it when mentioning childhood 'indications'. I must admit that when thinking back on it, I had 'strange feelings' for a guy when I was in Primary School. I had no idea what it was back then but now I know... Ya know the typical (often steretypically) playground behaviour that you run up and hit the person you like a lot. In my case it was a boy!
 
Sorry joey but in the past you have said it's choice. It is a good debate but people are giving facts and you are saying the proof is wrong, so yes a bit confused.

Ben raises a point in some countries being gay is illegal must not be spoken about etc. Why then are some people gay? They are born that way :)
 
^There is some, but, loads less...

Surely that strengthens the argument about it being enviromental AND genetic, which was the point I was trying to make :S
 
Ben said:
^There is some, but, loads less...

Surely that strengthens the argument about it being enviromental AND genetic, which was the point I was trying to make :S
Yeah, this is my point too.

On top of that, being in an freer environment isn't the only environmental thing that could cause something like sexuality. It's the thing I'd argue for having the most impact on kids in our society, but it's not the only thing that could. I think it's too easy to start thinking up specific causes, my whole point is that there are endless environmental triggers which could effect people in different ways. Being abused, like Jake brought up, could supposedly cause gayness in one person but the next could create a complete fear of other men. Perhaps it could create self hate in someone else, or OCD, or depression, or an obsession with alternative porn, or an obsession with roller coasters.

Sorry joey but in the past you have said it's choice.
Not the choice you're describing. We're using the word "environmental factors" now like good psychologists.
 
This may sound like I'm backtracking a bit, but it isn't, I'm just letting the discussion develop, like a good discussion should :)

I do think that there are perhaps a greater number of bi-sexual people, or people who are sexually hedonistic where the sexual urge outweighs a sexual preference, than we actually realise.

Let's simplify this... I like curvy women. I don't know why I have that preference, but I do. I have no preference over hair colour, height, etc. I probably have a "face type" too, but I've never really studied it.

However, I've slept with women with a wide range of body shapes. The way my natural "attraction" favours doesn't determine if I'm going to sleep with a girl or not. It's all down to environmental factors. It may be we hit it off mentally, I may just have a case of full sack and need release or she may be naked in front of me and who can refuse eh?

The point is, I can over-ride a personal preference in favour of sexual gratification. The only thing I do require is that they're female. I suspect a number of people don't actually stop at this last point. As long as there's sexual gratification then that's the goal and how it's achieved is irrelevant.

It's all about what is more important to you as a person. I still believe it's something hormonal/genetic/chemical/biological but it's there. Here is where society makes a big difference.

If you're sexually uninhibited, then you will always go for the "easiest lay". As was mentioned by Ben, in a Muslim country you're unlikely to go the homosexual route as it's tougher socially than a heterosexual route. As has been the case I suspect in many cultures for hundreds of years.

This is a point I've always agreed with. Those who are gay, are gay. Those who are straight, are straight. Those who just want sex go with the flow. If you're one of those brought up in a relationship with two gay parents, then you're most likely to find the flow is easiest to go gay. Socially, this is a fantastically flexible attitude. The point is, the likelihood of you going one way or the other, or whichever way you feel is already there before the social environment makes the change.

Oh, and I don't think my hatred of Marmite is genetic, but it's certainly something biological or chemical. My taste buds react negatively to Marmite. While my taste buds have changed and matured and developed to a degree over the years, they still react negatively. Some things you just don't like because there's something built in your body that doesn't like it. I'll agree my hatred of ketchup is psychological, I recognise it as such, but my hatred of Marmite is purely one of my taste buds telling me that it's not good. :)

Mark/Marc - I mentioned very early on that (I assumed) a lot of people "know" which way they are aligned at an early age. I think it's interesting that some people strongly know so early and others don't. I think it's probably all linked somewhere, but we're well into the realms of experts already :lol:
 
I didn't realise this was actually an is being gay enviromental or genetic topic ;)

In my own opinion i mirror a lot of other responces on this forum who beleive that it's actually just down to the parents being loving regardless of their gender. Hell even just one parent will do! I was raised pretty much single handedly! I think i've turned out ok... And so has my son and he lives in a pretty unconventional family unit... You can be poor/single/gay/straight/rich/married/cohabiting and really unless your willing to invest time and love into your child then those things matter not.
 
Whilst on the subject of gays and parents... This is just despicable so I thought I would share it...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf5dqzcy3bc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
 
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