SFMM Colossus Iron Horse renovation rumors
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ECG said:
That sounds great, it really does. But I'd place Colossus in the same category as TX Giant and Rattler as large scale rides that I just don't see Six Flags investing that kind of money in if they can't market it as a new ride, complete with some sort of record breaking feature.
IMO, idea of "classic" Colossus died years ago. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the reality.
Cyclone at Six Flags New England is every bit a classic 'large scale ride' as Colossus & Six Flags is investing in it in a much smaller park than Magic Mountain, so investing 'the kind of money' needed for a topper track redo (which is obviously much less that the amount needed for an Iron Horse treatment) isn't the issue & it wouldn't need to be marketed as a new ride to get a huge boost in PR from restoring the coaster to its former glory.
rollermonkey
Strata Poster
I think a lot of people forget that 6FNE is the biggest park in New England. It may not pull much traffic from the west, but it does provide major amusement park coverage for six states.
^^ Right, but Colossus would need a lot more than just topper track. First off, it has two separate tracks (which Cyclone does not), which already means more money. The ride would also need a complete re-profile of all it's hills, which are currently very "rampy", and the turn around sections redone because they are slow and boring. The first drop, which was once considered intimidating, is also pretty tame by today's standards.
I haven't even gotten to the trains yet.
Which is why in my opinion, the only way to go here is a complete I-Box makeover.
I haven't even gotten to the trains yet.
Which is why in my opinion, the only way to go here is a complete I-Box makeover.
tomahawk
Strata Poster
New Texas Giant rough? That is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. It was easily just as smooth a year after it opened than when it opened. It couldn't have been from perfect to awful in 4 months. And I don't understand what you mean by stalling, because the MCBR doesn't bite at all and you fly through the course.
Break downs though I have heard of some, but not anything awful like other rides. Wherever you read these things I question their reliability because that is the first negative I have ever heard of that ride.
Break downs though I have heard of some, but not anything awful like other rides. Wherever you read these things I question their reliability because that is the first negative I have ever heard of that ride.
It definitely broke down the last time I was at SFOT with Chris (RCF) & from what he told me it does occur quite often, but then so does El Toro. However, the stoppages don't seem to last long & I'm sure SFFT wouldn't have gone for Iron Rattler if this really was an issue.
As far as being smooth - NTG is like butter.
As far as being smooth - NTG is like butter.
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Wildmouse695
Roller Poster
Here is the latest from Screamscape.
2015/2016 - Rumor - Iron Colossus - (4/15/13) According to the latest rumors the Iron Horse treatment for Colossus has been slotted to reopen for 2015, though there is a slight chance it could be pushed back to 2016 if the stars align on another project first. Unlike the quick transformation of Rattler at Fiesta Texas, this is expected to be more of a major overhaul, more along the lines of the lengthy Texas Giant job. This will require the once mighty Colossus to be down for a period of 12-16 months. So for Colossus to be reborn in Spring 2015 it will end up having to close down to begin the project in Late 2013. Stay tuned as we try to keep up to date on what could be the most important new coaster to ever open at ‘The Mountain’ that could create an all time new world record for the park that may never be broken.
2015/2016 - Rumor - Iron Colossus - (4/15/13) According to the latest rumors the Iron Horse treatment for Colossus has been slotted to reopen for 2015, though there is a slight chance it could be pushed back to 2016 if the stars align on another project first. Unlike the quick transformation of Rattler at Fiesta Texas, this is expected to be more of a major overhaul, more along the lines of the lengthy Texas Giant job. This will require the once mighty Colossus to be down for a period of 12-16 months. So for Colossus to be reborn in Spring 2015 it will end up having to close down to begin the project in Late 2013. Stay tuned as we try to keep up to date on what could be the most important new coaster to ever open at ‘The Mountain’ that could create an all time new world record for the park that may never be broken.
rollermonkey
Strata Poster
There's always a way to connect the two sides.
See also: Daidarasaurus
It was a twin track, but they made a very strange modification roughly where an MCBR must have been to turn it into a Moebius coaster that used the station as a trim before engaging the twin lift hill it the second time.
See also: Daidarasaurus
It was a twin track, but they made a very strange modification roughly where an MCBR must have been to turn it into a Moebius coaster that used the station as a trim before engaging the twin lift hill it the second time.
Wildmouse695
Roller Poster
marc said:
Er... Ok, first
Outlaw run is a wooden coaster as it has a wooden track and steel wheels on the trains and looks very good, according to reviews. So it looks like you are wrong on both counts....just saying :?
Secondly, Iron Rattler is a steel coaster and if it is as good as NTG, it will be a fantastic ride.
If they can modify Colossus with either a wooden or steel track and adjust the layout, it will be a vast improvement
Crazycoaster
Giga Poster
I find this bit the most interesting:
Does Lance know something and he's hinting at it?
screamscape said:
Does Lance know something and he's hinting at it?
tomahawk
Strata Poster
Re: RE: SFMM Colossus Iron Horse renovation rumors
He has probably been given some tidbits here and there. My bet, from all previous rumors is it will be a length record of some unreal number. Make it one track and its basically done. Combine that with the added height they could do with how slow the turns are and it could just be incredible.
What caught my eye was the unless a dream project or whatever the line was, regarding a delay. Is he talking about this, another six flags iron horse, or another company all together?
He has probably been given some tidbits here and there. My bet, from all previous rumors is it will be a length record of some unreal number. Make it one track and its basically done. Combine that with the added height they could do with how slow the turns are and it could just be incredible.
What caught my eye was the unless a dream project or whatever the line was, regarding a delay. Is he talking about this, another six flags iron horse, or another company all together?
Wildmouse695 said:
My post was made in January before Outlaw Run opened, read the date people post before replying like that!
Plus it was my view back then after looking at the computer pov and if you read the topic for Outlaw Run you will see I changed my view after seeing a real pov.
rollermonkey
Strata Poster
Huh. Colossus as a moebius would be about 8,650 feet, or more than 500 feet longer than Steel Dragon 2000.
The layout would need a lot of tweaking to make that worthwhile, though.
The layout would need a lot of tweaking to make that worthwhile, though.
Wildmouse695
Roller Poster
rollermonkey said:
They might lose a bit of that length though like they did with NTG and Iron Rattler. But if they made the first hill higher, they could have 2 massive drops!
It isn't going to be a Mobius coaster. There is no indication outside of pure speculation, and I'd encourage us to not shoot from the hip.
What's more, SFMM would want to maintain two, separate tracks; so that they could run one-side-operation during slow days to reduce costs and ride operators needed. There's also the added complexity of storage bins in station (hard to get your stuff when it's a station away!). There's a reason why there are much fewer mobius coasters in the world than racers - they can be a logistical nightmare.
So yeah, outside of Iron Horse retrack, I haven't found any indication of anything else.
What's more, SFMM would want to maintain two, separate tracks; so that they could run one-side-operation during slow days to reduce costs and ride operators needed. There's also the added complexity of storage bins in station (hard to get your stuff when it's a station away!). There's a reason why there are much fewer mobius coasters in the world than racers - they can be a logistical nightmare.
So yeah, outside of Iron Horse retrack, I haven't found any indication of anything else.
tomahawk
Strata Poster
Since this is SFMM we are talking about, what is the likelihood the train count is cut in half by month 3 of operation, and then single train during the busiest days. I'm not really thinking mobius with this redo, I wouldn't be surprised if one side of the station became a station fly through.
The one thing that's kind of a "given" with this, if anything, would be the return of the double down in some form or another.
The one thing that's kind of a "given" with this, if anything, would be the return of the double down in some form or another.