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Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

_koppen said:
Mysterious Sue said:
Could he actually big it up any more? Way to set yourself up for a fall...
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I actually think it meets everything he has said.

1. It will be a game changer, just like Balder, El Toro, Outlaw Run and Goliath. Check.

2. It has the potential to be the best in the world. Check.

3. No one is believing that they are doing it. Check. (seriously, who would have believed this a month ago).

4. It won't feature any gimmicks. Check.
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Fair play. That is stonking!

So glad that RMC is coming to Europe. Sweden is really the place to be at the moment.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

Heres the thing though; CoasterForce isnt a European only enthusiast site. This allows me to follow construction of rides internationally. If I were to raise this argument elsewhere (like the parks fansites forums), then my argument is moot. This isnt what CF is though. We know what RMC has done, and this is view of which I am going with. I wouldnt raise this argument with/near the general public as I would be looked at like a freak. I understand and realize that this will be new to them, and I know the tried-and-true design is best to go with when expanding any given product.

Yet, when you look back at other manufacturers, this doesnt hold true to form.
 
Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

I was talking about the public.

You might have to travel a few hours to ride one we have to travel 10 or so hours.

So what it's the same, it's near us and for many the only chance to ride one in the near future.

I'd be more than happy for this to be in the UK.

You have probably never been to Europe or the UK, we are so limited on big coasters. We have as many big coasters in 6 countries as you do in one park.

If this coaster is a success then other parks will buy them and then they can change the design. They need to break the European market with a tried and tested design rather than shoot themselves in the foot.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

This looks amazing. It could very well be better than Outlaw Run. Great to see this company growing.

But I can't wait two years for it to be even open!
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

Don't think it has been mentioned here yet, but there will be a better and more accurate POV up in a few weeks, this first one was just to show of the layout.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

I think the point about "innovation" with the barrel rolls doesn't hold up anyway.

Intamin airtime machines are just hill after hill after hill. Where's the innovation? Just one damn world class ride after another. I wish they'd try something different like i305 because I'm bored with rides that constantly deliver based on successful elements! Be different! Be turd! Be cause enthusiasts! ;)

And while I'm ranting and have five minutes...

In 100 years of wooden coasters, we saw one - ONE - inversion on a wooden coaster. An inversion that turned out to be awful, on an awful ride that didn't make middle age.

Suddenly a company manages to present working inversion on coasters that are critically acclaimed - after 100 years of sweet FA - and they're "not innovating enough"? WTactualF?

The layout looks stunning, the inversions add to an already impressive design which mixes some superb traditonal wooden coaster elements with modern steel. It's best of both worlds, in a stunning location. It's superb - no matter where in the world you live.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

On top of that RMC have been building rides of their own for what 2 or 3 years?

At this point in their companies lifespan B&M had build only a few minor Stand up rides all with the same 2 inversions. Give them time.

This ride looks fantastic. Even without the inversions it would be a hell of a ride. Love the terrain hugging. Always adds to a ride.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

roomraider said:
On top of that RMC have been building rides of their own for what 2 or 3 years?
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Agreed. Although they had some previous experience before building their first proper coaster. If I'm not mistaken, they were doing maintenance works on some other wooden coasters...
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

It might seem like Rocky Mountain Construction has only been around for a few years, but they have been constructing coasters for nearly two decades.

RMC built the following coasters before giving New Texas Giant at Six Flags Over Texas their Iron Horse I-Box revamp in 2011:
Timber Terror at Silverwood Theme Park (1996)
Tremors at Silverwood Theme Park (1999)
Villain at Six Flags Worlds of Adventure/Geauga Lake (2000)
Timberhawk at Wild Waves Theme Park (2003)
El Toro at Six Flags Great Adventure (2006)
T Express at Everland (2008)
Aftershock at Silverwood Theme Park (2008)

Outlaw Run at Silver Dollar City was their first fully design and constructed coaster with their own designed and built trains in 2013. That was followed by their Iron Rattler at Six Flags Fiesta Texas I-Box revamp (also last year).

Over the past few years they gave the following coasters their Topper Track retrack:
Cyclone at Six Flags New England
Georgia Cyclone at Six Flags Over Georgia
Le Monstre at La Ronde
Medusa at Six Flags México
Rattler at Six Flags Fiesta Texas
Tremors at Silverwood Theme Park

RMC also made major repairs to the following coasters:
The Boss at Six Flags St. Louis
Cornball Express at Indiana Beach
Hoosier Hurricane at Indiana Beach
Hurricane: Category 5 at Myrtle Beach Pavilion
Mega Zeph at Six Flags New Orleans
Predator at Darien Lake
Psyclone at Six Flags Magic Mountain
Thunder Run at Kentucky Kingdom
Timber Terror at Silverwood Theme Park
Tremors at Silverwood Theme Park
Twister II at Elitch Gardens Theme Park

These guys knew what they were doing long before Alan Schilke joined the company to start designing their own coasters, but what an impact they have made since his arrival in 2001.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

While this is true I stand by my point. Walter and Claude worked at giovanola for years before building their own rides.

Just give them a few more years. We are baseing everything off 6 rides at the moment.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

Schilke worked for Arrow and S&S prior to RMC. He has the same kind of prior experience as Walter and Claude did prior to making B&M. Beyond that, B&M introduced their first Invert within the same time span of 2-3 years, with the Batman Clones, Raptor and Nemesis popping up shortly thereafter.

Marc, as I had said, my issue with the layout is a moot point beyond the enthusiast realm. While I have been to Europe, it was for school and nothing beyond. Nemesis wasn't a tried and true layout, nor was Oblivion when B&M went beyond the states. Yes, I know the restrictions in which both were built, which had helped/hindered with their design process, but B&M could have done a modified layout of Flight Deck from Cal. Great America or a modified Batman. I will make note of this though, the wooden companies were more or less similar/tamer to what we had seen in the US prior to their second coaster built internationally.

Furie, not all of their continuous hills are airtime machines. Bizarro was a bit of a let down, and Skyrush is on the end of too much to enjoy. I appluad I305 for attempting to be different, but even then it fails right at the two small camel backs. The US market for Intamin presented a severely rough course that eventually made them unwanted due to being too costly due to the extremes they went to. Overseas are what I want brought into the states ffs cause going big is useless unless it does something worth while to make me want to reride it. Give me more Maverick and Storm Runner type layouts, something that forces them to become creative with the rest of the ride instead of relying on the height, speed and airtime factor. It **** gets boring after the first go, and I rarely ever touch the coaster again.

RMC has the potential to do some amazing things furie, Outlaw Run and Goliath are proof of that; however, running back to barrel rolls and the Intamin route makes me annoyed that they are resting on the easy route. Hell, Gravity Group did more of a corkscrew on Hades than a damn barrel roll! I was highly impressed with Outlaw Run for doing something out of left field. Goliath was a mix for me and this just makes me wonder if I will ever see anything else inversion wise from the company. As I said earlier in this post, maybe I am having too harsh of a view on this for their first oversea's venue.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

Intricks, your acting like RMC decided to "run back to barrel rolls" and "rest on the easy route", when it was actually Peter Osbeck, the senior ride manager for PaRS (Parks and Resorts Scandinavia AB), that chose the design. Peter went to Silver Dollar City last year to ride Outlaw Run and loved it, then met with Fred and Alan before returning home to seek approval for Wildfire. Peter then told Fred and Alan what he wanted and RMC provided various layouts of the coaster along the lines that Peter discussed with them. Peter then asked for a few changes to one of the proposals and Alan confirmed that those changes could be made, so this layout was a collaboration between the park and RMC, but not necessarily what RMC would have done on their own (as was the case with Outlaw Run, where Silver Dollar City let RMC decide everything).
As you stated with Nemesis, "B&M could have done a modified layout of Flight Deck from Cal. Great America or a modified Batman", but they didn't because of John Wardley (not Bolliger, Mabillard or Stengel). It's people like Wardley, Osbeck or Brian Morrow (SeaWorld/Busch Gardens) that ultimately decide on what will be built, not necessarily the manufacturer.
I'm sure that RMC will be able to provide a new and unique layout at some point, but it isn't very often that a park like Silver Dollar City comes along and gives them such freedom to design whatever they want. There's also other restrictions that come into play like the amount of space they have to work with (i.e. Goliath at SFGA), terrain, noise restrictions, etc., but at some point you'll see RMC push the envelope even further because that's just how the company operates.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

Again, I've realized my initial annoyance with the layout may have been a bit too harsh. While the whole creative process is still too murky for me to exactly know specifics, I know enough (mainly thanks to Gatekeepers media day and a few friends from PA) to get the basics of the process.

My annoyance still stands with the layout, yet the end product is all that really matters right? Which no matter what, will be fun and exciting for Europe. Besides, as shown with Helix, revisions do come along. Maybe they can nix the one barrel roll in between to turns and replace it with a corkscrew :3

Besides, this isnt the first time Ive had an issue with a given rides layout, but this one of the few times remarking towards one.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

^^ Which is to say, there is some discretion left to the manufacturers, but amusement parks have the final sign off for the product.

I mean, let's be honest; every manufacturer and model has their "gimmick." Eurofighters have the beyond-vertical drop, Wing Riders have the dive drop, Inverts the zero-g roll, and GCIs the station fly-through. Common elements that play through, with layouts that vary at different levels.

Wildfire vs. Outlaw Run strikes me as similar to T Express/El Toro. Similar elements and vision, with a slightly steeper drop and longer layout. (And Wildfire does also have a taller drop with higher speed) And if there is anything that is better than one RMC, it is two RMCes.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

I feel like saying this.

We've seen Parks & Resorts heavily involved in this project and I can't help but think that the Gröna Lund folks was like: "Okay, so we can't built anything huge here at Gröna Lund. Oh, but we have plenty of space at that zoo we also own, let's plot our dream coaster their regardless of it fitting at all"

Now I know I should just be happy about getting such a ride so close to my home, but aesthetics and looks also plays a factor for me when it comes to roller coasters, and something about this is just odd.

Now hit me with your sh**storm :--D
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

TheCoasterCruiser said:
I feel like saying this.

We've seen Parks & Resorts heavily involved in this project and I can't help but think that the Gröna Lund folks was like: "Okay, so we can't built anything huge here at Gröna Lund. Oh, but we have plenty of space at that zoo we also own, let's plot our dream coaster their regardless of it fitting at all"

Now I know I should just be happy about getting such a ride so close to my home, but aesthetics and looks also plays a factor for me when it comes to roller coasters, and something about this is just odd.

Now hit me with your sh**storm :--D
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Not sure what you don't like, kick-a$$ terrain coaster, with a big ass lift hill?

Apparently the plans for a big wooden coaster at Kolmården have been around since the early 2000's
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

^

Believe me, I love it! - I just wanted to share my thoughts.
And yes I've heard it for several years now as well.
 
Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

BREAKING!

Kolmården have lost it's permission to build Wilfire!

The town gave permission which have been appealed up until the higher level of "county" government which have now rejected the coaster.

It will most likely be appealed higher, but the ride will most likely face delays, things like this tend to take time.

They state that the reason is lack of a zoning plan for the area, and resistans from nearby locals and that the park is close to a protected nature area.

http://www.lansstyrelsen.se/ostergo...es/bygglov-for-berg--och-dalbana-upphavs.aspx

Planning permission for the roller coaster suspended | Published 2015-02-26

Category: Animals & Nature, Environment & Climate, People & Society, Urban Planning & heritage
Subject area:planning issues

Kolmarden Zoo may not permit to build a roller coaster. Östergötland County Administrative Board cancels the Municipality of Norrköping decision on building permits, which were taken last fall. County Board rejects the zoo's application for planning permission on the grounds that it requires a detailed plan before the question can be reviewed.

Norrköping Municipality granted Kolmårdens Zoo AB planning permission for a roller coaster October 8, 2014. The decision has been appealed by several parties, associations and individuals.

According to the master plan is the relevant part of the area designated as a zoo. The area lacks detailed plan. Roller coaster is supposed to be placed directly adjacent to the existing zoo. The plant will be located near nature reserve and area of ​​national interest for nature conservation and outdoor recreation.

The County Board believes that the roller coaster will have a major impact on the environment. It will, among other things, to change the landscape, cause increased noise levels and affect the traffic situation. Therefore, a detailed plan in place before the roller coaster can be checked by a planning application, consider the County Administrative Board.

The decision can be appealed to the Land and Environment Court.
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Re: Kolmårdens Djurpark | Wildfire | RMC Wooden Coaster

Added a translation of the announcement to koppen's post.

Sorry to hear about the delay. Hopefully it will not be a Goldstriker-esque 4 year hold up!
 
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