Thorpe Park | Derren Brown's Ghost Train | VR Attraction
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SaiyanHajime
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Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
1.4m is approx 10 years old... It's impossible to enforce an age restriction, but height restrictions are theme park standard. Who knows though, maybe it will have some physical restraint that requires the 1.4m height restriction.?But if it doesn't, which I suspect is the case, it's yet another example in a Merlin park of a ridiculous height restriction! Yay...
It's a big deal. The examples of rides with absurdly high restrictions in Merlin parks are so numerous now. Rattlesnake being 1.4 whilst every other MS wild mouse is only 1.2m, Zufari being 1m whilst Disney's Kilimanjaro has none, Saw and Smiler being 1.4m whilst the other Eurofighters are all 1.2m, Dragon Falls being 1.2m whilst other Mack log flumes range from .9m to 1m... I'm sure there's plenty more, but those are off the top of my head.
I get this is a scary attraction and that in itself makes it not suitable for younger audiences... But to me, the physical ability of somone to be able to ride it should trump that and a "recommended" age should be signposted.
It just occurred to me, though, that the 1.4 and related age concerns MIGHT be to do with the VR. Occulus isn't recommended for under 13s and I wonder if the headsets physically don't fit kids? If if it's a case of them physically not fitting, then I'm ok with the height restriction. Anything else though and it should be a recommended age, with kids under 1.3m or 1.4m requiring an adult.
I have a huge pet peeve with rides not being accessible. Kids are often braver than adults and it's heartbreaking when they can't go on stuff.
1.4m is approx 10 years old... It's impossible to enforce an age restriction, but height restrictions are theme park standard. Who knows though, maybe it will have some physical restraint that requires the 1.4m height restriction.?But if it doesn't, which I suspect is the case, it's yet another example in a Merlin park of a ridiculous height restriction! Yay...
It's a big deal. The examples of rides with absurdly high restrictions in Merlin parks are so numerous now. Rattlesnake being 1.4 whilst every other MS wild mouse is only 1.2m, Zufari being 1m whilst Disney's Kilimanjaro has none, Saw and Smiler being 1.4m whilst the other Eurofighters are all 1.2m, Dragon Falls being 1.2m whilst other Mack log flumes range from .9m to 1m... I'm sure there's plenty more, but those are off the top of my head.
I get this is a scary attraction and that in itself makes it not suitable for younger audiences... But to me, the physical ability of somone to be able to ride it should trump that and a "recommended" age should be signposted.
It just occurred to me, though, that the 1.4 and related age concerns MIGHT be to do with the VR. Occulus isn't recommended for under 13s and I wonder if the headsets physically don't fit kids? If if it's a case of them physically not fitting, then I'm ok with the height restriction. Anything else though and it should be a recommended age, with kids under 1.3m or 1.4m requiring an adult.
I have a huge pet peeve with rides not being accessible. Kids are often braver than adults and it's heartbreaking when they can't go on stuff.
Swat
Hyper Poster
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
That simworx van could indicate that they have a version of this installed as the train carriage.
http://www.simworx.co.uk/av-fx/agv-darkride/
That simworx van could indicate that they have a version of this installed as the train carriage.
http://www.simworx.co.uk/av-fx/agv-darkride/
JoshC.
Strata Poster
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
The map specifically states that it's a minimum of 1.4m, along with the recommended age thing.
The headset size theory is plausible; certainly the only thing I could think of that would warrant such a high restriction.
The map specifically states that it's a minimum of 1.4m, along with the recommended age thing.
The headset size theory is plausible; certainly the only thing I could think of that would warrant such a high restriction.
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
Knowing what the ride is and how it operates, I can't work our why it needs a 1.4m height limit. VR headsets are adjustable as people have different shaped heads, so that's not an excuse. Unless I've overlooked something, I can't see one logical reason why it needs a 140cm height limit. Unless it's to assist ride ops guessing a riders age. Pass.
Knowing what the ride is and how it operates, I can't work our why it needs a 1.4m height limit. VR headsets are adjustable as people have different shaped heads, so that's not an excuse. Unless I've overlooked something, I can't see one logical reason why it needs a 140cm height limit. Unless it's to assist ride ops guessing a riders age. Pass.
Dar
Hyper Poster
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
Maybe the vive headsets don't work under 1.4m?
I guess it could be something to do with the fact that because it's VR, they worry that people might get claustrophobic and panic, and they feel that kids might not handle very well?
Maybe the vive headsets don't work under 1.4m?
I guess it could be something to do with the fact that because it's VR, they worry that people might get claustrophobic and panic, and they feel that kids might not handle very well?
Shirofukurou
Mega Poster
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
VR headsets in general have a reccomended age limit (13 for Oculus Rift and 12 for PlayStation VR), because the headset is just a LED screen very close to your eyes. Childrens' eyes are still developing and thus staring directly at a screen centimeters away could impair their vision for life. I know the ride experience would likely be just over five minutes as opposed to, say, a kid using vive an hour each day, but if the average age at 1.4m is 10 years then the height restriction should be even higher.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...ers-while-oculus-rift-age-limit-is-higher.htm
VR headsets in general have a reccomended age limit (13 for Oculus Rift and 12 for PlayStation VR), because the headset is just a LED screen very close to your eyes. Childrens' eyes are still developing and thus staring directly at a screen centimeters away could impair their vision for life. I know the ride experience would likely be just over five minutes as opposed to, say, a kid using vive an hour each day, but if the average age at 1.4m is 10 years then the height restriction should be even higher.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...ers-while-oculus-rift-age-limit-is-higher.htm
Sandman
Giga Poster
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
I can't see them translating a recommended age restriction into a height restriction though. Seems a bit too silly. Height restriction represents a pretty specific safety measure, whereas if VR isn't recommended to under 13's or whatever, surely they'd rule that in more specific terms.
I can't see them translating a recommended age restriction into a height restriction though. Seems a bit too silly. Height restriction represents a pretty specific safety measure, whereas if VR isn't recommended to under 13's or whatever, surely they'd rule that in more specific terms.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
^ They do, but that should be their choice, just as it would be in the home. The warnings just need to be big and bold.
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^ They do, but that should be their choice, just as it would be in the home. The warnings just need to be big and bold.
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Lofty
CF Legend
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
I know other forms of rides have done this over the past, given a height requirement as a way of judging age.
Think about it logically, if you see a sign that says "This is a scary experience and not reccommended for those under the age of 12" for example, a lot of parents will think "Ah, it'll be alright, they're strong-willed for an 8 year old", but, if they see a height restriction, even if it is a recommended one (worded cleverly), parents are more likely going to stick to this and actually adhere to it as it falls under the natural human task of protecting ones offspring from forms of danger or harm.
Yep - you're the same as me, that's the only logical explanation I have?Ian said:
I know other forms of rides have done this over the past, given a height requirement as a way of judging age.
Think about it logically, if you see a sign that says "This is a scary experience and not reccommended for those under the age of 12" for example, a lot of parents will think "Ah, it'll be alright, they're strong-willed for an 8 year old", but, if they see a height restriction, even if it is a recommended one (worded cleverly), parents are more likely going to stick to this and actually adhere to it as it falls under the natural human task of protecting ones offspring from forms of danger or harm.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
Having worked at a park, that's not how parents think at all. People think height restrictions are suggestions. Not for safety. I'm serious.
The height restriction is to avoid argument - a solid cut off, a nope. That's all.
IMO, from what I know, it should be... Under 1.4m requires an adult to accompany. Not recommended for under x years followed by the reason for that recommendation.
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Having worked at a park, that's not how parents think at all. People think height restrictions are suggestions. Not for safety. I'm serious.
The height restriction is to avoid argument - a solid cut off, a nope. That's all.
IMO, from what I know, it should be... Under 1.4m requires an adult to accompany. Not recommended for under x years followed by the reason for that recommendation.
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Lofty
CF Legend
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
Having consulted on a project for a theme park that used this form of age > height ratio, it does work due to the implications of safety aspect. Maybe not for every single person, but it does for a large majority.
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Having consulted on a project for a theme park that used this form of age > height ratio, it does work due to the implications of safety aspect. Maybe not for every single person, but it does for a large majority.
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Sandman
Giga Poster
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
To be fair I do think that this might not just come down to the VR recommended age, but also the ride content. I know Derren Brown's shows have an age restriction and his work is fairly psychological and manipulative in a dark way. I'm pretty sure his last show was about convincing some guy to hide a dead body or something, so if this ride has any resemblance to that kind of material (also the fact it's sort of branded as a sort of next gen ghost train) then it's probably advisable to put some sort of limit on age. Just find it a bit awkward that they'd use a height restriction because I know a lot of adults who are around 1.4m, it's not actually that uncommon.
To be fair I do think that this might not just come down to the VR recommended age, but also the ride content. I know Derren Brown's shows have an age restriction and his work is fairly psychological and manipulative in a dark way. I'm pretty sure his last show was about convincing some guy to hide a dead body or something, so if this ride has any resemblance to that kind of material (also the fact it's sort of branded as a sort of next gen ghost train) then it's probably advisable to put some sort of limit on age. Just find it a bit awkward that they'd use a height restriction because I know a lot of adults who are around 1.4m, it's not actually that uncommon.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
Literally the problem with this and every other user design industry is people thinking they understand the user when they don't. No offence.
If anything, age restrictions are more powerful as people understand they are the law. If the ride had an independent body place a restriction on it, people would respect that more.
But hey.
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I'm not sure how informing a client of an opinion you have translates to having first hand experience of guest perceptions but OK.Lofty said:
Literally the problem with this and every other user design industry is people thinking they understand the user when they don't. No offence.
If anything, age restrictions are more powerful as people understand they are the law. If the ride had an independent body place a restriction on it, people would respect that more.
But hey.
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Lofty
CF Legend
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
It wasn't my opinion, it was theirs and they used this model which worked, I was a consultant on another aspect of it
This is it, it's next to impossible to add an actual legal age restriction to it - look at what Hobs Pit did, due to the multimedia inside the attraction they contacted the BBFC to see if it needed a restriction, the BBFC turned up and informed them that it could have been certified a 15 rating, this (I'm sure?) was dropped to 12.
I get what you mean about parks not knowing their users, but, I do, as much as you do, Joey - so no offence taken.
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It wasn't my opinion, it was theirs and they used this model which worked, I was a consultant on another aspect of it
This is it, it's next to impossible to add an actual legal age restriction to it - look at what Hobs Pit did, due to the multimedia inside the attraction they contacted the BBFC to see if it needed a restriction, the BBFC turned up and informed them that it could have been certified a 15 rating, this (I'm sure?) was dropped to 12.
I get what you mean about parks not knowing their users, but, I do, as much as you do, Joey - so no offence taken.
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Howie
Donkey in a hat
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
Actually, yeah, me, I'm seriously thinking about going on opening day, 6th May.
Let's suppose for a second, just for a second, that this is everything that Thorpe Park are promising, and it is actually blow-your-mind, world-class good. I just don't want to be stuck at work, reading about how awesome it is, and wishing I was there.
On the other hand, if it's utter turd, then at least you can be among the first to say 'Ha, I knew it would be!'
Gonna try and get me some of those 12p tickets that are up for grabs soon, if that doesn't work out, well... I guess we'll see.
NeoXIII said:Is anyone heading to Thorpe Park for the opening of GBGT? Really want to see what it's all about!
Actually, yeah, me, I'm seriously thinking about going on opening day, 6th May.
Let's suppose for a second, just for a second, that this is everything that Thorpe Park are promising, and it is actually blow-your-mind, world-class good. I just don't want to be stuck at work, reading about how awesome it is, and wishing I was there.
On the other hand, if it's utter turd, then at least you can be among the first to say 'Ha, I knew it would be!'
Gonna try and get me some of those 12p tickets that are up for grabs soon, if that doesn't work out, well... I guess we'll see.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: Derren Brown's Ghost Train (WC16) | Thorpe Park | May 2
I kinda wanna go opening day just to experience a clean headset. Then never ride it again.
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I kinda wanna go opening day just to experience a clean headset. Then never ride it again.
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